Thread: WI Recall of Gov. Walker Produces 1 MILLION Signatures

Hilarious, no basis and no sense:

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The republican party used to have a larger umbrella, unlike today. That party has been hijacked by men of no conscious, who try to see who can be more extreme in their views, while the crowd applauds.

The freedom and liberty mantra basically means the liberty for a few to be parasites on the backs of the many, with the many having the freedom to suffer this. Who are you trying to kid? All of the stats show the repubs for what they are, the hand maidens of the elites, and the enemy of average americans. There is a helluva difference between the party of Ike's era and today. They kept the cons, in the back corner, where they could do no harm to the Grand Old Party. Or to the nation, for that matter. And that is the change. The trail of damage these cons have left even have some cheering. They want more!

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The republican party used to have a larger umbrella, unlike today. That party has been hijacked by men of no conscious, who try to see who can be more extreme in their views, while the crowd applauds.

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That's badly wrong. It's true that the Republican Party is more ideologically narrow than it was, but the tent is just as big. Parties are as ideological as they can get away with. A conservative candidate in 1964 got crushed. A more conservative candidate in 2012 has a good chance. Democrats are the big tent now because they have to be. Liberalism is where conservatism was in 1964.

Originally Posted by adaher

That's badly wrong. It's true that the Republican Party is more ideologically narrow than it was, but the tent is just as big. Parties are as ideological as they can get away with. A conservative candidate in 1964 got crushed. A more conservative candidate in 2012 has a good chance. Democrats are the big tent now because they have to be. Liberalism is where conservatism was in 1964.

How is it more ideologically narrow?

More conservative. The 1950s version of the party had more moderates. It's not bad to be more ideologically narrow. The Republicans still win elections. Actually, they win more than they did back then.

Originally Posted by adaher

More conservative. The 1950s version of the party had more moderates. It's not bad to be more ideologically narrow. The Republicans still win elections. Actually, they win more than they did back then.

A lot of Goldwater conservatives disagree. The GOP was hijacked by theocrats and neocons in 1980, Ronbo opened the gates of the party to radicals like himself.

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Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The republican party used to have a larger umbrella, unlike today. That party has been hijacked by men of no conscious, who try to see who can be more extreme in their views, while the crowd applauds.

And that is why the democrats controlled congress for over 40 yrs. You liked the Republican party then, they stayed out of the way. But it was the Contract with American spear headed by Newt that changed all that. And that is when you went belletristic, and have been pouting ever sense, because you did not get your way.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Wisconsin State Journal

Organizers file more than 1 million signatures to recall Walker

Hardball with Chris Matthews

Organizers filed over 1 million signatures in today's deadline in the Wisconsin effort to recall Gov. Scott Walker.

Only 540,000 were required while Walker opponents had targeted 720,000 to make sure they would have enough in case of any invalid signatures.

What's more, there are enough signatures to recall the state's Lieutenant Governor and 4 state senate Republicans including the majority leader.

Scott Walker says this recall election will be "one of the defining moments in the national political landscape". He's right about that.

Yep...full of a bunch of fraudulent signatures. My sister, and her family, live in Wisconsin. I went and visited them for Christmas. I was talking with my 13 year old niece and she told me that some lady asked her to sign the recall. She told the lady that she was only 13 and the lady didn't care and asked for the signature, regardless. This is not a surprise.

I also find it pretty stupid of those people since Walker took a multi-billion dollar budget deficit and now it's balance. I guess stupid libs simply looooooove being in debt.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I was elated to hear the number of signatures, which was right at a cool million. But frankly I was surprise when a Pub won Wisconsin!

I hope this recall works out, and shows the rest of this nation's cons that you cannot hate the middle class, and try to hurt them, and expect us to go quietly into that good night. Let's relegate these cons to where they belong, to the dustbin of a civilized people's history. We had our fill of elites in the late 1700's and tried to castrate em, just to have em grow some new ones and again interject themselves into the body politic. Once they did, they have regressed this nation 70 years, taking us back to what preceded the crash of 29. They just came up with a new sounding name for the same old tricks.

Yeah....what preceded the crash of 29 was the passing of the 16th amendment and the creation of the Federal Reserve. Btw....Michigan has been dominated by liberals for decades upon decades. They are also one of the biggest union states (I know you have a hardon for unions). Why do all the things you love produce such shitty results?

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

So you're saying $8 billion in the hole instead of $10 or $12 billion in the hole without the tax increases is better?

Well, Wisconsin has a $0 deficit under Walker's leadership. I think $0 is better than $8 billion.

It doesn't matter if there are 1 million signatures. That means that there are more signatures than necessary to activate a recall. And it also is a small minority of the number of people who are required to defeat Walker. This is about as relevant as when unions and liberal groups spent about $350 million in a failed attempt to recall Republican state Congressmen. There's a lot of breathless reporting and front-page splash headlines and then it's all for nothing (for liberals, that is, lol).

To fishjoel: it's not that liberals love being in debt. It's that it doesn't matter to them. Liberals are irresponsible by definition. They don't care how their policies affect their kids. Take a look at Social Security. It is wholly irrelevant to them that the plan is unsustainable. What matters is that it is here right now for them. Their politicians don't care about Obamacare -- all that matters is that they can tell some ignorant people "I got you free healthcare." They'll get elected and after those people are dead and their kids are cursing them and urinating on their graves for what they did to them, someone will pay the price -- probably some responsible Republican who is saying that they have to reform the system. That's how it works. Conservatism is for the adults, liberalism is for the children and the retards.

As for Blue Doggy's assertion that the Republican party used to be an umbrella party, that's a lame talking point. Half the time, liberals like to say that the Republican party of old used to be just old rich rednecks from the South in the KKK -- who were actually Democrats, by the way -- and the other half of the time they try to pretend that we need to "go back to" the "old" party where we were an umbrella. It's a pathetically transparent attempt at psychology. You go "I used to like Republicans, when they were open-minded. If only they could go back to being that way, I'd support them again." LOL. What are we, in high school that you think that will work?

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Yep...full of a bunch of fraudulent signatures. My sister, and her family, live in Wisconsin. I went and visited them for Christmas. I was talking with my 13 year old niece and she told me that some lady asked he to sign the recall. She told the lady that she was only 13 and the lady didn't care and asked for the signature, regardless. This is not a surprise.

I also find it pretty stupid of those people since Walker took a multi-billion dollar budget deficit and now it's balance. I guess stupid libs simply looooooove being in debt.

Yeah crazy horrible things have been happening...

The state balanced it's budget w/o massive cuts of people or programs

The local counties and cities... the same.

The school districts... not only balanced their budgets but had money to hire more teachers

{sarcasm} Horrible... no wonder people are rising up... .{/sarcasm}

Question for you libs. Could you point out something bad that has resulted in Walker's policies? Not some ideological BS, I mean hard facts (eg. budget increased, teachers lost jobs/got pay cuts). SOMETHING?

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Question for you libs. Could you point out something bad that has resulted in Walker's policies? Not some ideological BS, I mean hard facts (eg. budget increased, teachers lost jobs/got pay cuts). SOMETHING?

Like you really expect an answer?