Thread: Ron Paul Says No Federal Aid To Tornado Victims

Originally Posted by jviehe

1. Someone show me where FEMA is authorized in the consitution.
2. Since FEMA is unconstitutional, who would support an amendment to give congress this power?

I know I wouldnt. The purpose of the federal govt is to protect individuals and states against human violence, and to ensure justice and liberty. States and private groups should help people with natural disaster recovery if they so choose.

The world has changed, there is nothing left to pillage. It is time to take stock of how we must proceed into the future. There is nothing in the constitution to prevent the federal government from aiding the governed of our nation. We should prepare ourselves to handle things like China does

Originally Posted by skeptic1

The world has changed, there is nothing left to pillage. It is time to take stock of how we must proceed into the future. There is nothing in the constitution to prevent the federal government from aiding the governed of our nation. We should prepare ourselves to handle things like China does

Sure there is.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Sure there is.

I believe someone has already stated that it is rare indeed when the calamity suffered by one state will not take too long to have a significant adverse effect on either physically contiguous or economically related states.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

The world has changed, there is nothing left to pillage. It is time to take stock of how we must proceed into the future. There is nothing in the constitution to prevent the federal government from aiding the governed of our nation. We should prepare ourselves to handle things like China does

I'm not saying that we shouldn't care for our citizens but the Constitution doesn't work that way. It's not there to tell the federal government what I can't do but what it can do.

Here is what various congressman have cited FEMA authority from, via constitutional authority statements.

Article I, section 8, clause 18 of the Constitution of the
United States. - power to make laws

The U.S. Constitution including Article 1, Section 8. - patents

Clause 1 of Section 8 of Article I of the Constitution. - taxation

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3. - commerce

Originally Posted by jviehe

1. Someone show me where FEMA is authorized in the consitution.
2. Since FEMA is unconstitutional, who would support an amendment to give congress this power?

I know I wouldnt. The purpose of the federal govt is to protect individuals and states against human violence, and to ensure justice and liberty. States and private groups should help people with natural disaster recovery if they so choose.

You would watch Americans die and celebrate that ist was consitutional... You're a very sad individual who has lost your moral compass.

The truth is FEMA looks after disasters... They are the experts. They have the resources and knowledge to handle disasters which would generally overwhealm any indivdual state. This makes sense... Why does every state need 100 body recovery dogs in cause of a disaster when FEMA can keep 250 and deploy when needed...

Disasters are just that, unexpected but take a large enough area there is perdictablity in it... These resources have to be on stand by just like your fire service but more specialised with more resources because 50 states paying into the pot have larger and better trained and equiped teams.

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with Ron Paul. He's technically correct, but chooses the wrong time to point it out. Sort of like telling a drowning man that he should have worn a life vest. This is not what effective leaders do. He doesn't have the temperament to be CIC.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with Ron Paul. He's technically correct, but chooses the wrong time to point it out. Sort of like telling a drowning man that he should have worn a life vest. This is not what effective leaders do. He doesn't have the temperament to be CIC.

That's a terrible analogy.

Paul said there was a role for the National Guard to restore order and provide care and shelter in major emergencies, but that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) led to nothing but "frustration and anger."

More like you don't call the police when your toddler swallow 8 aspirin. You call poison control. The police are called too frequently for tasks that other departments have the expertise to handle.

No Ajax, when your toddler swallows 8 aspirin, you go to the ER, not call poison control. You call an ambulance if need be. That's what emergency services are for.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

That's a terrible analogy.


More like you don't call the police when your toddler swallow 8 aspirin. You call poison control. The police are called too frequently for tasks that other departments have the expertise to handle.

I think the Libertarian POV is to have a leader who knows what the Fed DOESN'T do as opposed to WHAT to do.

Originally Posted by Traveler

No Ajax, when your toddler swallows 8 aspirin, you go to the ER, not call poison control. You call an ambulance if need be. That's what emergency services are for.

Before we go down the path of terrible analogy quagmire, can we agree that you don't call the police? Likewise in a national disaster F.E.M.A. is unnecessary.

Yes you don't call the police, i agree. Unless you plan on reporting yourself as a negligable parent. But the emergency services are there for a reason, and a toddler swallowing 8 aspirin, would be a valid use of their services imo.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Yes you don't call the police, i agree. Unless you plan on reporting yourself as a negligable parent. But the emergency services are there for a reason, and a toddler swallowing 8 aspirin, would be a valid use of their services imo.

When you call 911 in Nassau County the police come as a bonus.