Thread: Teachers using kids for Obama campaign.

Originally Posted by zip98053

Creationism isn't science and shouldn’t be taught as science. It should be taught as what it is, mythology.

Creationism is not testable, so it lacks the basic property of a scientific theory. You can believe in it if you want, but you can’t really claim that it is science.

The nice thing about the truth is it doesn’t need to rely on people believing in it.

Yeah it does. Have you been to mars? How do you know its there? Because you saw pictures on tv, a light in the distance?

Originally Posted by goober

Teachers are people with a right to their views, especially their political views.

Sure, but that doesn't mean they can indoctrinate the children in those beliefs. Sorry blow the lid on your conflation of two separate things.

The GOP has been calling teachers overpaid, lazy good for nothings, for quite a while, so I understand why teachers (college educated, most with advanced degrees) are mostly Democrats.
This teacher was trying to teach real world politics, I can also understand why right wingers (less educated, less informed, lower intelligence) don't understand this.

The GOP hasn't been saying those things. They've only said that the teacher's unions costs the school districts more money and also keeps the schools from firing bad teachers. I've had some pretty bad teachers back in my time.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Yeah it does. Have you been to mars? How do you know its there? Because you saw pictures on tv, a light in the distance?

We've also landed a physical object on Mars. Are you going to go flat-earth and geocentric theory on us? After all, how do you know the Earth is round unless you've physically walked around it?

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

We've also landed a physical object on Mars. Are you going to go flat-earth and geocentric theory on us? After all, how do you know the Earth is round unless you've physically walked around it?

You know that we did for certain???????????????????? You can prove it without us having to take it on faith?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Darwinism isnt science it is mythology.

Don't tell all of the scientists. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Cleisthenes

Don't tell all of the scientists. :rolleyes:

why? They are scientists they should already know this.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

why? They are scientists they should already know this.

Theologists study myths. Scientists study science. If evolution were a myth, scientists wouldn't be studying it.

Originally Posted by Cleisthenes

Theologists study myths. Scientists study science. If evolution were a myth, scientists wouldn't be studying it.

...Yea where is the link between man and ape??????Oh thats right there isnt any.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

You know that we did for certain???????????????????? You can prove it without us having to take it on faith?

Comedy gold!

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Sure, but that doesn't mean they can indoctrinate the children in those beliefs. Sorry blow the lid on your conflation of two separate things.

How are you going to teach "Opposition research" without real world examples?

The GOP hasn't been saying those things. They've only said that the teacher's unions costs the school districts more money and also keeps the schools from firing bad teachers. I've had some pretty bad teachers back in my time.

So the GOP is only against the union (which is made up of teachers), because there are too many bad teachers who can't be fired.
And the reason the GOP thinks the unions cost the districts too much money is that they believe the teachers are overcompensated.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

By offering a subject in a neutral manner, then offering examples of those for and opposition against. This goes both ways. Instruction in opposition research is not limited to whatever opposes Obama. That is the point. There are plenty of positions Obama has taken that warrant the same opposition research, or argumentative essay assignment. So, why was that not apart of the assignment? Take any subject you want. Perhaps the Keystone XL Pipeline, just as an example. Obama has a position on that. Regardless of your own opinon on it, or that of the teacher, why would the assignment be limited to just the finding a problem with a GOP position on this? In absence of an answer from the story (link and whatever else I can find on the story) I can only conclude this is not teaching opposition research, it is indoctrination of Obama's views in the assignment only including arguments against the GOP. That cannot be justified no matter what your own opinion is of the opposition.

If anything, it is "opposition research" so long as it is limited to whatever could be wrong with a GOP position. I consider that an issue. To be fair I'd have the same opinion on this if the story was about supporing a position Bush took on some issue, thus finding a problem or "weakness" in the Democratic response. I am just trying to be fair about this.



Apologies then, but your comments sure sounded like the GOP was owed this. And you may not be able to speak for everyone or be fair by saying "a side needs to be chosen" means siding with Obama.

Opposition research isn't about positions, it's about candidates, you have to do the research on candidates, and why do you think assigning people who the students were largely unfamiliar with has more pedagogical value than assigning them to do opposition research on Barack Obama, just what do you think middle schoolers would discover that the GOP has missed?

And the assignment isn't to teach them about how bad the GOP is, it's to teach them about the process and the product of opposition research, they won't vote for another 5 or 6 years, but they will understand the bullshit they see, how it's produced and how valid it is.
They are being taught how to think, not what to think.

Originally Posted by Cleisthenes

Theologists study myths. Scientists study science. If evolution were a myth, scientists wouldn't be studying it.

Scientists have studied and do study 'myths.' Theres even a show about it.