Thread: VP Candidate for the Republican Party 2012

The public does want amnesty, but not a bait and switch where we do amnesty but never get around to effective enforcement. The Arizona law is very popular. If I was a Republican strategist I wouldn't exactly be bending over backwards right now to support amnesty. It's just bad politics, and bad policy too. No other nation is having this discussion. Europe would be flooded if they were as tolerant of illegal immigration as we were.

Originally Posted by adaher

The public does want amnesty, but not a bait and switch where we do amnesty but never get around to effective enforcement. The Arizona law is very popular. If I was a Republican strategist I wouldn't exactly be bending over backwards right now to support amnesty. It's just bad politics, and bad policy too. No other nation is having this discussion. Europe would be flooded if they were as tolerant of illegal immigration as we were.

Few want a bait and switch. For the reasonable and persuadable, they want it fixed and fixed comprehensively so it's done once and for all as best as possible. That segment also knows that its the only way it can get done given the lack of trust factor to give one side and expect the rest later insofar as politics is concerned.

Aspects of AZ's law are appealing across the board, but not all of it. Its hardass approach is actually toxic on other aspects. That approach is popular in red states that means jack shit for a general POTUS election, no different that sanctuary city practices in blue states make a difference. Those states are not in play.

Europe? You're kidding, right? It's open door with welfare galore thanks to shitty Strasbourg court rulings. The Dems are fascists and the GOP is Attila compared to the absurdity of the situation there.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Europe? You're kidding, right? It's open door with welfare galore thanks to shitty Strasbourg court rulings. The Dems are fascists and the GOP is Attila compared to the absurdity of the situation there.

Ditto as far as every media outlet tells of the Islamic European onslaught.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Ditto as far as every media outlet tells of the Islamic European onslaught.

It's beyond the failure of multi-culti nonsense. Take this example:

Somali woman can claim benefits even if she a 'burden on social assistance' after landmark EU ruling | Mail Online

or this

Lying Nigerian Asylum Seeker - YouTube

or this:

Chen case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Few want a bait and switch. For the reasonable and persuadable, they want it fixed and fixed comprehensively so it's done once and for all as best as possible. That segment also knows that its the only way it can get done given the lack of trust factor to give one side and expect the rest later insofar as politics is concerned.

There's no compelling reason to do comprehensive though. We can do enforcement first, then when we get the illegal immigration problem under control, we can do an amnesty for those already here.

Aspects of AZ's law are appealing across the board, but not all of it. Its hardass approach is actually toxic on other aspects. That approach is popular in red states that means jack shit for a general POTUS election, no different that sanctuary city practices in blue states make a difference. Those states are not in play.

The arizona law has wide support. 60+%. That's not toxic. Obamacare is toxic. Immigration enforcement is electoral gold.

Europe? You're kidding, right? It's open door with welfare galore thanks to shitty Strasbourg court rulings. The Dems are fascists and the GOP is Attila compared to the absurdity of the situation there.

Europe's problem is that they can't integrate their immigrants. But they admit fewer than we do by a large margin and they aren't talking about amnestying their illegals.

According to this poll, all of the Republican candidates would receive about 14 % of Latino votes against Obama (he would get about 70 %). But 18 % say, they would be more likely to vote Republican, if there was Martinez on the ticket. And 24 % say this about Rubio.
I played a little bit on possible election outcomes on 270towin.com, and it appears, the best thing the Republicans can do is a very close race and win by a small margin, but I can't see them doing so without Florida and a good share of the Latino votes. If the Republicans come to the same conclusion, they might indeed want to press Martinez or Rubio a little bit, despite their disadvantages, to join them on the ticket.

However, I have no idea on how the Republicans are planning to win back Ohio, which will be absolutely crucial imho, even if they win back Colorado, Nevada, Indiana, Iowa and North Carolina.

Originally Posted by adaher

There's no compelling reason to do comprehensive though. We can do enforcement first, then when we get the illegal immigration problem under control, we can do an amnesty for those already here.

Sure there is. First is the realism of it politically. If enforcement is done first, then the GOP has no incentive to do the latter because the Dems gave away their leverage on enforcement being tied to it, plus its own dirty side of business interests that like illegal labour that will want that kept. That means it won't get passed without it being tied together, and vice versa for their aims on the DREAM Act and some relief for long settled illegals. Second is that enforcement only means going after people right down to DREAM Act kids and long settled illegals. Third, it doesn't fix all the problems of illegals being here not properly employed and paying taxes with proper paperwork and not undercutting legal labour, etc. There's simply no reason to do this half arsed and half measured when it can be done collectively at once other than the BS of political games and accommodating bad ends within it. Fourth, the GOP has its own problems within it concerning the Religious Right that seeks some relief for long settled illegals with wives, kids, etc, plus sympathy for those fleeing bad situations and nations, etc.

Originally Posted by adaher

The arizona law has wide support. 60+%. That's not toxic. Obamacare is toxic. Immigration enforcement is electoral gold.

Shaky claim on the stats. The enforcement aims get general support but not in how it's enforced, especially regarding Arpaio's approaches. As for Obamacare, it's the mandate that's unpopular not most of the rest like the ban on preexisting conditions, health care on parental policies until 26, no cancelling when sick, etc. That stuff is very popular.

Originally Posted by adaher

Europe's problem is that they can't integrate their immigrants. But they admit fewer than we do by a large margin and they aren't talking about amnestying their illegals.

Europe's problem is that they won't or don't integrate them, not can't,or where they now cannot because they didn't or don't do the former where it was allowed to settle that way. And they do talk about that. Heck, the courts and governments just often do it via a few means.

When I refer to enforcement first I don't mean mass deportations. I mean stopping the flow of new illegals. Believe it or not, there was a time when we didn't have millions of illegals. If border security was possible in the horse and buggy days, it's certainly possible today.

Then there's attrition, which is achieved by denying illegals employment and welfare benefits. With no means of support, they return home, unless relatives are caring for them, which in my eyes isn't really a problem. If a family wants to sponsor an illegal relative, let them.

The recession has done wonders to cause people to go home, as does the THREAT of enforcement. It really doesn't take much. We have so little enforcement that even a slight increase will cause many to leave.

I say have Palin as a vp candidate again.....Yes it is true a potato is all you need to run against Biden but it would be nice to have a actual conservative in the admin.

Palin isn't conservative, she's a fame junkie who says what her fans want to hear. The only thing that is truly positive about her is that she's a proven reformer. Which is what originally attracted McCain to her.

Originally Posted by adaher

Palin isn't conservative, she's a fame junkie who says what her fans want to hear. The only thing that is truly positive about her is that she's a proven reformer. Which is what originally attracted McCain to her.

think as you will but she governed as one unlike most the candidates...Newt being the only one that did. Yes yes I know you all will say Paul did but Paul didn't govern or lead a damn thing.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I say have Palin as a vp candidate again.....Yes it is true a potato is all you need to run against Biden but it would be nice to have a actual conservative in the admin.

The only negative of what you're proposing is that I think the GOP would love to win at least a couple of states in 2012; with Palin on the ticket that would be in doubt.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

It's beyond the failure of multi-culti nonsense. Take this example:

Somali woman can claim benefits even if she a 'burden on social assistance' after landmark EU ruling | Mail Online

or this

Lying Nigerian Asylum Seeker - YouTube

or this:

Chen case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I always get a warm and fuzzy feeling when a poster is posting based on actually watching and reading what's going on.