Thread: Voter Fraud

Originally Posted by goober

None of them, it's 11% of legally registered hispanic voters in Texas that don't have picture IDs.
I even quoted a GOP official saying that he doesn't believe there's any voter fraud, but that it would increase the GOP vote share 3% if these laws were in place.
He's a smart guy, telling the truth, he's not an ignorant moron who actually believes these laws would stop illegal aliens from voting, because he knows that's not an issue.

The key word "Legally registered" and how would you know that when they have no ID?

Originally Posted by sailorman126

the reason i mentioned the dead voting is because in a earlier video okeefe showed how he could have voted using names of people that had died. i had also posted a link earlier about how there are millions of dead still on the polls.

He could have, but that is also something knowable. For instance, in South Carolina, there was a Fox News-hyped claim that hundreds of dead people were voting. So they went back to the rolls and checked the names of those who actually voted and — guess what? It turns out to be nonsense.

now here is a question for everyone tha says how it is unfair to require id to vote.
you need a id to register to vote. so if you dont have any id how where you able to register?

Actually, they are requiring state-issued I.D. There are other forms of I.D. besides that. And your Social Security number is a form of non-photographic I.D. that can be used to prove your citizenship.

But give me a second.

google...google...google... ah! Here we go! Section 303(b)(2) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002:

A) In general.--An individual meets the
requirements of this paragraph if the individual--
(i) in the case of an individual who votes in
person--
(I) presents to the appropriate
State or local election official a
current and valid photo identification;
or

(II) presents to the appropriate
State or local election official a copy
of a current utility bill, bank
statement, government check, paycheck,
or other government document that shows
the name and address of the voter; or

(ii) in the case of an individual who votes by
mail, submits with the ballot-

(I) a copy of a current and valid
photo identification; or

(II) a copy of a current utility
bill, bank statement, government check,
paycheck, or other government document
that shows the name and address of the
voter.

http://www.fec.gov/hava/law_ext.txt

Sorry about the formatting.

Note, that they say "valid photo identification," not "state-issued photo identification." So here in California, the law says this about photo I.D.:

(1) Current and valid photo identification provided by a third party in the ordinary course of business that includes the name and photograph of the individual presenting it. Examples of photo identification include, but are not limited to, the following documents:

(A) driver's license or identification card of any state;

(B) passport;

(C) employee identification card;

(D) identification card provided by a commercial establishment;

(E) credit or debit card;

(F) military identification card;

(G) student identification card;

(H) health club identification card;

(I) insurance plan identification card; or (J) public housing identification card.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/regu...ays_3_3_06.pdf

So there you have it.

Originally Posted by Forplay

The key word "Legally registered" and how would you know that when they have no ID?

Because they are registered to vote legally.
I assume you are operating under the delusion that thousands of illegal aliens have registered to vote.
How would you know they weren't citizens if they did have ID?
My driver's license doesn't have my citizenship data, neither does my credit card, my health club ID, my employee id. Are you going to require a passport from everyone ?
Is there any data that indicates that large numbers of illegal aliens are registering to vote, I'll save you the trouble, no, there isn't, because illegal aliens hardly ever register to vote.

Still incapable of honesty, or are you saying you really believe there are large numbers of illegal aliens voting?

Originally Posted by goober

There are people who are honest and want these ID laws to suppress minority voting,

In what was does it suppress minority voting?

and there are the morons who actually believe it's to stop voter fraud, which are you?

Neither! I just believe it makes good sense for anyone who votes, applies for public assistance, take a bus or train trip, fly on a public carrier etc to have identification. As a matter of fact it does not suppress voting of anyone as the indigent can get free IDs at will and both parties local offices will furnish transportation to and from the registrar and the polling place in most places.(All of the civilized parts of our country).

I'm thinking you may actually believe this crap, because you are making a statement that you can't register to vote without a picture ID, but we know that 11% of hispanic voters in Texas don't have picture IDs, so maybe you do lack the critical thinking skills....

I suspect those Hispanic "voters" don't have a picture ID for good reason, they are illegal thus we WANT to stop them from voting.

Originally Posted by goober

It reduces the number of voters, with a disproportionate effect on minorities, that's the harm.

How?

What good does it do? It does nothing to stop the kind of vote fraud that is actually occurring, but it sure clamps down on something that isn't happening.
So be honest, admit you'd like to stop legally registered Americans from voting, to help your party win, why pretend it's about something else
It's like saying you're buying Juggs Magazine, for the editorials....

No matter how you cut it there is no excuse for a proper ID to keep even one legal person from voting.

Originally Posted by goober

None of them, it's 11% of legally registered hispanic voters in Texas that don't have picture IDs.
I even quoted a GOP official saying that he doesn't believe there's any voter fraud, but that it would increase the GOP vote share 3% if these laws were in place.
He's a smart guy, telling the truth, he's not an ignorant moron who actually believes these laws would stop illegal aliens from voting, because he knows that's not an issue.

South Carolina Attorney General: 900 Dead People Voted in Recent Elections (Video) | The Gateway Pundit
South Carolina Attorney General: 900 Dead People Voted in Recent Elections

18,500 deceased voters still on the rolls, according to the AP.

Originally Posted by goober

None of them, it's 11% of legally registered hispanic voters in Texas that don't have picture IDs.
I even quoted a GOP official saying that he doesn't believe there's any voter fraud, but that it would increase the GOP vote share 3% if these laws were in place.
He's a smart guy, telling the truth, he's not an ignorant moron who actually believes these laws would stop illegal aliens from voting, because he knows that's not an issue.

What concerns me is that you don't seem to understand the issue. There is no excuse for anyone to have difficulty voting because of valid IDs. If you come up with one I will poke holes in your logic.

If that's the case then the South Carolina politicians should get busy and purge the rolls. It's all on computer and should be a pretty easy job.

Originally Posted by goober

OK, you've demonstrated that Critical Thinking is not in your bag of tricks, but that's about all...

You have demonstrated the lack of Critical Thinking since you have yet to come up with one valid reason why an ID would keep a legal voter from exercising his rights and duty.

Just a thought ... does the Left look at ID as a kind of poll tax?

Originally Posted by dnsmith

You have demonstrated the lack of Critical Thinking since you have yet to come up with one valid reason why an ID would keep a legal voter from exercising his rights and duty.

I'm taking the word of a senior Texas GOP official who believes the ID law would increase the GOP share of the vote by 3%, he also stated he doesn't believe that voter fraud is happening in any large numbers.
What you are doing is ignoring everything that points to this suppressing the minority vote, and ignoring everything that says there is hardly any voter fraud in the US, and based on the "fact" that someone showed what could happen if someone did something (but which the evidence shows never happens, another fact you ignore) you assume that this is a huge problem.
That demonstrates a lack of critical thinking.

Originally Posted by dnsmith

What concerns me is that you don't seem to understand the issue. There is no excuse for anyone to have difficulty voting because of valid IDs. If you come up with one I will poke holes in your logic.

Try to get a picture ID, without using a picture ID. Let me know if you find the process difficult....

Originally Posted by goober

Because they are registered to vote legally.

And that means they can register with no ID and then go an vote with no ID.

I assume you are operating under the delusion that thousands of illegal aliens have registered to vote.

Until you can prove me wrong, I would say it is you that is delusional

How would you know they weren't citizens if they did have ID?

To get an ID you need to show a birth certificate, do you not remember you had to do that to get a license to drive.

My driver's license doesn't have my citizenship data, neither does my credit card, my health club ID, my employee id. Are you going to require a passport from everyone ?

I just explained how you got a drivers license.

Is there any data that indicates that large numbers of illegal aliens are registering to vote, I'll save you the trouble, no, there isn't, because illegal aliens hardly ever register to vote.

One murder is to many, same with illegal aliens voting for handouts from you liberals that want an open border

Still incapable of honesty, or are you saying you really believe there are large numbers of illegal aliens voting?

Do you believe not one illegal alien has voted in the US?

You keep talking "large numbers" like unless it's a large number who gives a fuck. I guess if you don't have a large number of murders in your neighbored no big deal let them kill whoever they want. I have to shake my head over you liberals, you approve of a person having to show a birth certificate to get a drivers license, but it's OK for anyone that wants to register and or vote to just walk up and do it, no questions asked. Yeah you like voter fraud, keeps you liberals in office giving out free stuff.