Thread: Voter Fraud

Showing a photo ID is racist? Really? Then our entire society is racist. Every department store, pharmacy, sports stadium, airport, and university across this nation must be run by a bunch of racists – because at some point in my life every one of them has required me to show a photo ID. The truth is, if you do not have a photo ID you cannot fully participate in our society. If you do not have a photo ID voting should be the least of your inconveniences - as you cannot even go to the pharmacy and pick up lifesaving medication – not even under Obamacare!

Some of you claim there are very few instances of voter fraud. Cases that have been successfully prosecuted I would agree. Lack of ID makes it difficult to discover who committed fraud. In the example given here I would be curious to know; what if Eric Holder walked in to vote 3 hours later? They would have checked the list for his name, saw it there, and given him a ballot. This idea that it would have been caught is a huge assumption. In past elections ACORN was observed bringing an entire busload of people from one poll to the next. As long as they all gave a name that was on the list – no voter fraud.

With how difficult it is to exist in this society without a photo ID, with 75%+ majorities in states across this country voting for photo ID requirements, and with even a vast majority of minorities supporting voter ID laws – why do democrats continue fighting it?

Some of you keep asking for proof of voter fraud, but since the American people overwhelmingly support voter ID laws, I think the burden should be on those claiming requiring photo ID is racist.

Originally Posted by goober

No, my theory is that of a Governor of New Hampshire, who happened to be a Republican.
There were tollbooths where you could throw a quarter as you went through, there was a gate that raised after you threw your money in the collector.
The governor asked "if there was no gate, how many people don't pay?
The answer was 1 in a thousand.
The Governor ordered the gates be removed, 999 law abiding citizens should not have to wait an extra second for the gate to rise, just because 1 in a thousand doesn't pay.
Instead, the state police could watch and occasionally catch a toll evader, and punish him with a $100 fine.
This is how I feel about voting, let the hundred million law abiding citizens vote, and if you catch one of the 100 odd people trying to vote illegally then fine them and imprison them.
Don't inconvenience 100 million law abiding citizens, just to game the vote, and disenfranchise a few thousand minority voters.
The right's attempt to disenfranchise minority voters should be recognized as the thoroughly despicable act it is.

wow you proved our point in your example. the police are watching they are checking to make sure it is paid. your theory is like this people are running the tolll booth but becasue nonoe is checking ti is not happing. thank you for showing that voter id is needed to check to make sure people are who they say they are just like hte police are checking the toll booths to make sure people are paying the toll.
and you have still not shown why you claim it is impossible for miniorites to get a picture id, is it because you belive that minorites are just to stupid to figure out how to get one? or is it you yo ubelive tha minorites will be attacked for getting one? and you ustill have not explained how a minotiry can buy perscription drugs, a plane ticket, drive a car, have a bank account, write a check ect without a picture id? all of those thigs require one.
all you do is the same thing all liberas do you have no reason to oppse somethign so you instanly cry racesim. actaully you do have a reason you like votrer fraud becasue voter fruid is a big way liberals win elections becasue their postitions are so bad that the only way they cget votes is by using voter fraud

Originally Posted by sailorman126

wow you proved our point in your example. the police are watching they are checking to make sure it is paid. your theory is like this people are running the tolll booth but becasue nonoe is checking ti is not happing. thank you for showing that voter id is needed to check to make sure people are who they say they are just like hte police are checking the toll booths to make sure people are paying the toll.
and you have still not shown why you claim it is impossible for miniorites to get a picture id, is it because you belive that minorites are just to stupid to figure out how to get one? or is it you yo ubelive tha minorites will be attacked for getting one? and you ustill have not explained how a minotiry can buy perscription drugs, a plane ticket, drive a car, have a bank account, write a check ect without a picture id? all of those thigs require one.
all you do is the same thing all liberas do you have no reason to oppse somethign so you instanly cry racesim. actaully you do have a reason you like votrer fraud becasue voter fruid is a big way liberals win elections becasue their postitions are so bad that the only way they cget votes is by using voter fraud

Wow, that went right over your head didn't it. The police don't check every car that goes through the toll booth, most of the time the toll evader will save a quarter, every so often it will cost them $100. The honest people don't get hassled because one in a thousand wish to evade the toll. Honest American citizens shouldn't be made to jump through hoops because one in a million (or less) might try something that will have no effect on the outcome in 99.9999999% of the cases.

The reason we cry "racism" is that these laws are designed to have a disproportionate effect on minorities, which they clearly will, the laws will reduce the number of minority votes.

We know it's not racist law generated by racial hatred, it's all about power, and discriminating against minorities works to enhance GOP power.

Suppressing minority voting to skew election results is despicable and it's racist, we have that as a guiding principle. We try to get as many citizens to vote as we can, the GOP tries to limit who votes, and actively seeks to prevent American citizens from voting, it's what they do, and they dress it up to look like something it isn't to fool people like you, because they see you as a useful idiot.

There is no voter fraud of the kind that Voter ID laws would prevent, it's not a problem, it's not an issue, you can't even find how many people do this, and it's a crime that would almost certainly be reported if it occurred. Yet no one reports it, because it doesn't happen.

Why are we arguing about voter I.D. and how "racist" it is or isn't? It's not like votes are accurately tallied anyway...the folks most likely to work at a polling place are the most likely to be invested in the political system and have party ties. Vote for the Vegetarian Dwarf Lesbian Ninja party sometime and see how many votes are reported from your precinct.

It's not like party hacks that check the photo id's are going to record each persons face with the photo Id presented when they vote is it? We have to have a third party that isn't invested in the outcome check every confirmation if we wanted to be sure of less fraud...good luck finding them.

goober
you will not answer the simple question on why minorites cant get a id card so maybe you wil answer this one.
if you are not allowed to check id how do you know if he person is who they claim they are?
example a person has died and someone uses their name to vote, who is going to know that isnt the person they claim to be?
Dead people voting - Ballotpedia
you have yet to answer one question all you do is claim it would be raciest but have not shown how?, is it because you belive that minoties are all just to stupid or poor to get a id card? that is what sounds raicest to me.

Originally Posted by sailorman126

goober
you will not answer the simple question on why minorites cant get a id card so maybe you wil answer this one.
if you are not allowed to check id how do you know if he person is who they claim they are?
example a person has died and someone uses their name to vote, who is going to know that isnt the person they claim to be?
Dead people voting - Ballotpedia
you have yet to answer one question all you do is claim it would be raciest but have not shown how?, is it because you belive that minoties are all just to stupid or poor to get a id card? that is what sounds raicest to me.

It's a pain in the ass to get an ID, oh, it's real easy if you already have ID, but what about a 78 year old, who doesn't have a copy of their birth certificate?
How are they going to get an ID? they need a copy of their BC, and for that some places require ID since 911, so it's a long process.
I know someone who needed a lawyer to get their BC, it took a couple of months and cost $500, because their name had changed, and their ID didn't match the name on their BC, so they couldn't get their BC, so they couldn't get a passport.

If you are worried about dead people voting, match the voter list to the Social Security death listing, it's cheap and easy and it doesn't hassle law abiding registered voters.

Right now in Texas 11% of registered hispanic voters have no photo ID, less than 5% of white voters are in this situation, that's proof of a disparate impact on minorities.

It seems pretty simple to me. The law requires that the person voting be the person who registered to vote. How do you know the person voting is the person who registered without verifying their identity? Maybe Republicans have to prove the point by stealing an election. Dems obviously dont care if their own do it.

You know, if the people/parties advocating these laws used that energy to increase voter turnout for their party by 1/10 of 1%, that change would utterly overwhelm and negate the effects of all fraudulent voting, even if we assume that the vast majority of fraud isn't ever reported and that all fraudulent votes were for the other party.

Originally Posted by jviehe

It seems pretty simple to me. The law requires that the person voting be the person who registered to vote. How do you know the person voting is the person who registered without verifying their identity? Maybe Republicans have to prove the point by stealing an election. Dems obviously dont care if their own do it.

But what if they have fake IDs? You'll have to pass a more strict law to overcome that; maybe add a blood test. But that could probably be faked too if someone was willing to work at it. So you'll have to add another test...etc. How will you know when to stop?

How about we stop adding requirements when all signs indicate that voter fraud has become a negligible problem? Oh look: we're there!

Originally Posted by jviehe

It seems pretty simple to me. The law requires that the person voting be the person who registered to vote. How do you know the person voting is the person who registered without verifying their identity? Maybe Republicans have to prove the point by stealing an election. Dems obviously dont care if their own do it.

Actual stolen elections, proven in court, results reversed, you know, real fraud, have mostly been Republicans.

P.S. BIG CLUE - they haven't been based on people posing as other voters, there is no evidence that that happens more than once in a million votes.
So all you people who want the government to stay out of our lives, unless it's necessary, this ID requirement is a huge example of what you claim to be opposed to.

How about a tax to fund this initiative, we could have teams go out and photograph the people, do all the research and provide the IDs for free, and in a no hassle way.
And all we need to do is fund the initiative, if it's worth doing, it's worth raising taxes for...right?
Maybe start a new Federal Department, funded at a couple of billion to start, Department of Identification, to track every American from cradle to grave, make sure they get the entitlements they are entitled to, make sure they pay the taxes they are obligated to, make sure when they vote, it's really them, that would be worth it wouldn't it?

Face it. The real reason why Democrats resist voter ID laws is that with fraud, fewer of them would get elected.

Its so easy to cast fraud votes. Make a list from the obits the week before the election. Look up their addresses in the phone book. Select one in each voting district. Verify voter registration on the state website. Map out your route and spend a few dollars in gas on election day.

Chicago, however, is known for its fires, and there was a roaring one there in 1982 that resulted in one of the largest voter fraud prosecutions ever conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice. The telltale smoke arose out of one of the closest governor's races in Illinois history; and as for the fire, the U.S. Attorney in Chicago at the time, Daniel Webb, estimated that at least 100,000 fraudulent votes (10 percent of all votes in the city) had been cast.[2] Sixty-five individuals were indicted for federal election crimes, and all but two (one found incompetent to stand trial and another who died) were convicted. [3]

Where Theres Smoke Theres Fire 100000 Stolen Votes in Chicago

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

Face it. The real reason why Democrats resist voter ID laws is that with fraud, fewer of them would get elected.

Its so easy to cast fraud votes. Make a list from the obits the week before the election. Look up their addresses in the phone book. Select one in each voting district. Verify voter registration on the state website. Map out your route and spend a few dollars in gas on election day.

Well, we can rely on you to provide us with examples of right wing thinking which is demonstrably wrong.

Do you have any proof that happens, because the data says it doesn't happen enough to change the results.
You know how it's a firm Republican belief that JFK stole the election from Nixon, with dead people votes in Chicago.
Well, for the reality based community, even if Nixon had won Illinois, he would have lost the election(JFK won 303-219, an 84 electoral vote margin), and the FBI investigated and found no evidence of any large scale fraud.
So while it is possible for a dead person to vote, it hardly ever happens, and if you are woried about it, check the registrations against the Social Security Death list, it's all computerized and takes a few minutes and it doesn't hassle anyone.
Why are you against addressing the real (although tiny ) examples of fraud, and all for a program that addresses a form of fraud that hardly ever happens, but also puts a disproportionate burden on minority voters.

Oh, Oh, I know.....