Thread: Voter Fraud

Originally Posted by wooyarn

So you're ok with the Reps doing it.

How about the absentee/mail in votes. How are you going to check their ID's?

That's easy, only in person voting would be allowed, if people find it more important to be somewhere else on election day, then their vote can't be that important to them

Originally Posted by goober

Well, we can rely on you to provide us with examples of right wing thinking which is demonstrably wrong.

Do you have any proof that happens, because the data says it doesn't happen enough to change the results.
You know how it's a firm Republican belief that JFK stole the election from Nixon, with dead people votes in Chicago.
Well, for the reality based community, even if Nixon had won Illinois, he would have lost the election(JFK won 303-219, an 84 electoral vote margin), and the FBI investigated and found no evidence of any large scale fraud.
So while it is possible for a dead person to vote, it hardly ever happens, and if you are woried about it, check the registrations against the Social Security Death list, it's all computerized and takes a few minutes and it doesn't hassle anyone.
Why are you against addressing the real (although tiny ) examples of fraud, and all for a program that addresses a form of fraud that hardly ever happens, but also puts a disproportionate burden on minority voters.

Oh, Oh, I know.....

Hey Goober, you really show your strips, in how you approve of voter fraud.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

Face it. The real reason why Democrats resist voter ID laws is that with fraud, fewer of them would get elected.

Its so easy to cast fraud votes. Make a list from the obits the week before the election. Look up their addresses in the phone book. Select one in each voting district. Verify voter registration on the state website. Map out your route and spend a few dollars in gas on election day.

Now that is as easy as it gets.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Hey Goober, you really show your strips, in how you approve of voter fraud.

LOL, Where have I supported voter fraud?
Or more to the point, what voter fraud?
Only the useful idiots who have been enlisted in the GOP minority vote suppression scheme believe there is a voter fraud problem, at least you're useful....

Originally Posted by goober

Actual stolen elections, proven in court, results reversed, you know, real fraud, have mostly been Republicans.

P.S. BIG CLUE - they haven't been based on people posing as other voters, there is no evidence that that happens more than once in a million votes.
So all you people who want the government to stay out of our lives, unless it's necessary, this ID requirement is a huge example of what you claim to be opposed to.

How about a tax to fund this initiative, we could have teams go out and photograph the people, do all the research and provide the IDs for free, and in a no hassle way.
And all we need to do is fund the initiative, if it's worth doing, it's worth raising taxes for...right?
Maybe start a new Federal Department, funded at a couple of billion to start, Department of Identification, to track every American from cradle to grave, make sure they get the entitlements they are entitled to, make sure they pay the taxes they are obligated to, make sure when they vote, it's really them, that would be worth it wouldn't it?

Don't need a tax, their already free.

However from a Liberal, you would love to expand government anyway you can. Like you said start a new Federal Department of Identification funded by a couple of billion to start.

Originally Posted by goober

LOL, Where have I supported voter fraud?
Or more to the point, what voter fraud?
Only the useful idiots who have been enlisted in the GOP minority vote suppression scheme believe there is a voter fraud problem, at least you're useful....

Did you watch the video? I didn't think so, if Eric Holder says voter fraud does not exist, then it doesn't exist. Right...... Like I recall you saying, if Obama said it, it has to be true.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Did you watch the video? I didn't think so, if Eric Holder says voter fraud does not exist, then it doesn't exist. Right...... Like I recall you saying, if Obama said it, it has to be true.

Oh, did you have a video that showed voter fraud? Not the one I watched....the one linked in the OP, that showed no fraud...

Originally Posted by Forplay

Don't need a tax, their already free.

However from a Liberal, you would love to expand government anyway you can. Like you said start a new Federal Department of Identification funded by a couple of billion to start.

Well, I just thought that you'd want to make it easy for people to get ID's and that's expensive, but then you like to require stuff but not pay for it, otherwise you wouldn't be suppressing the minority vote would you.
But that's way above your pay grade.....

Originally Posted by Dilettante

How far are you willing to go to stop voter fraud? Because if you take the position that you're willing to pass any law to prevent even one instance of fraud, you're going to have to go a heck of a lot farther than this.

Are you an anarchist? I do not see how that line of reasoning is limited to voter fraud but to all laws. Also, your 2nd sentence confounds law with enforcement of the law. Murder is agains the law but it still happens. We don't repeal murder laws on the grounds that even one instance of murder results in no conviction.

Originally Posted by Dilettante

Well, voter fraud is incredibly rare.

So isn't a White Hispanic killing a Black 17 year old. It does not make it right.

Originally Posted by Dilettante

I have yet to see those advocating these laws offer ANY scientific support WHATSOEVER for their claims that voter fraud is an actual issue in this country or that these laws would fix it.

It is funny how people confuse science with ethics & politics. The extent to which you'll go to prevent any requirement to vote is telling. I believe the vote should be reduced substantially, starting with excluding anyone on public assistance. Also, I think the requirement to vote should be at least that which is required to buy beer, i.e., a photo ID.

If I may be so bold as to borrow a phrase from the Left's Nancy Pelosi, you have to vote for Voter Fraud laws to know how much of it is in this country.

So to Libs, voter fraud doesn't exist, but when you show them an actual example where it was proven then they respond that the "system works" at detecting fraud. So which is it?

Originally Posted by Dilettante

You know, if the people/parties advocating these laws used that energy to increase voter turnout for their party by 1/10 of 1%, that change would utterly overwhelm and negate the effects of all fraudulent voting, even if we assume that the vast majority of fraud isn't ever reported and that all fraudulent votes were for the other party.

How would that prevent fraud? Youre kinda saying if people would earn more money, theft wouldnt matter as much.