Thread: The Real Mitt Romney

Back in the day Romney led protest against peace marchers. He was all for Vietnam for guys like me, but not for him. He taught his five sons well none of them went running down to enlist after 9/11n .my opinnion he is a liar and a cward.

So the OP would rather have Obama than Romney....That says a lot.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

So fix that problem, don't start another. Give hospitals the right to kick abusers out of the ER and in front of a judge.

Now you know that's never going to happen. Doctors sign an oath--that they will treat anyone and everyone--regardless if they can afford to pay for it or not.

In the U.S., public hospitals receive significant funding from local, state, and/or federal governments. In addition, they may charge Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurers for the care of patients. Poor uninsured patients receive their care for free. Public hospitals, especially in urban areas, have a high concentration of uncompensated care and graduate medical education as compared to all other American hospitals. Public hospitals in America are closing at a much faster rate than hospitals overall. The number of public hospitals in major suburbs declined 27% (134 to 98) from 1996 to 2002. It is thought that the increase in uninsured has drained public hospitals to near bankruptcy.

Public hospital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Therefore--the only solution is for states to require that a major medical policy (hospital) coverage is mandated.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

So fix that problem, don't start another. Give hospitals the right to kick abusers out of the ER and in front of a judge.

This is a problem that congress forced on us.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another case of disreguard for the consequences of their legislation. Then they let the problem fester for a few years, and use it to force yet more legislation down our throats that is going to end up costing us oh so much more. (Obamacare: Higher Taxes, More Uninsured, Says CBO - CBO | Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act) Nice.

I'm telling you, these guys are all crooks. When A spends B's money for C's benefit, there surely is something rotten in Denmark.

Originally Posted by redrover

Back in the day Romney led protest against peace marchers. He was all for Vietnam for guys like me, but not for him. He taught his five sons well none of them went running down to enlist after 9/11n .my opinnion he is a liar and a cward.

Link?

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

This is a problem that congress forced on us.


Another case of disreguard for the consequences of their legislation. Then they let the problem fester for a few years, and use it to force yet more legislation down our throats that is going to end up costing us oh so much more. (Obamacare: Higher Taxes, More Uninsured, Says CBO - CBO | Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act) Nice.

I'm telling you, these guys are all crooks. When A spends B's money for C's benefit, there surely is something rotten in Denmark.

That's the way it is--and we're not going to change it. But, the states can require that they pay for insurance to cover these costs.

Originally Posted by Oreo

That's the way it is--and we're not going to change it. But, the states can require that they pay for insurance to cover these costs.

We could start by not trying to solve all the world's problems by throwing money at them. In this case, other people's money.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

We could start by not trying to solve all the world's problems by throwing money at them. In this case, other people's money.

I agree with you--I don't like paying for other peoples irresponsibility. Public hospital emergency rooms are required to treat everyone and it's not going to ever change. But when American citizen women are giving birth in our emergency rooms--and getting a steak dinner along with it along with a 1 or two day stay in the hospital along with their babies care--because they didn't feel the need to purchase their own medical insurance policy--we have some serious problems. And this is rampant in our country today. I know it because I have a family member that is a nurse practioner working with infants in local hospitals--and 47% of the babies she takes care of are from American citizen women who have no medical insurance.

A state mandated hospital medical insurance policy is the only cure for this disease.

Wonder how long till Mitt being a Mormon will be new issue for the op

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Wonder how long till Mitt being a Mormon will be new issue for the op

Who knows? But there is a lot of religious bigotry out there against Mormons--that I consider to be utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by Oreo

I agree with you--I don't like paying for other peoples irresponsibility. Public hospital emergency rooms are required to treat everyone and it's not going to ever change. But when American citizen women are giving birth in our emergency rooms--and getting a steak dinner along with it along with a 1 or two day stay in the hospital along with their babies care--because they didn't feel the need to purchase their own medical insurance policy--we have some serious problems. And this is rampant in our country today. I know it because I have a family member that is a nurse practioner working with infants in local hospitals--and 47% of the babies she takes care of are from American citizen women who have no medical insurance.

A state mandated hospital medical insurance policy is the only cure for this disease.

If I can get state sponsored medical insurance for next to nothing, or spend a lot of my own money and get medical insurance, what's the motivation to spend my own money? In order for the people to pay for their own medical insurance there is going to have to be a reason. Like it's better? Or perhaps that it's beyond minimal necessary care?

Right away the system open's itself up to law suits by 'defenders of the poor' who'll claim that the poor have every right to medical insurance of the same quality that you pay extra for, which takes us right back to, if it's the same, why would I spend my money on it? It's doomed to failure and / or cost overruns, and / or ever increasing entitlement expectations. It'll never work to keep costs down without a difference in service levels.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

If I can get state sponsored medical insurance for next to nothing, or spend a lot of my own money and get medical insurance, what's the motivation to spend my own money? In order for the people to pay for their own medical insurance there is going to have to be a reason. Like it's better? Or perhaps that it's beyond minimal necessary care?

Right away the system open's itself up to law suits by 'defenders of the poor' who'll claim that the poor have every right to medical insurance of the same quality that you pay extra for, which takes us right back to, if it's the same, why would I spend my money on it? It's doomed to failure and / or cost overruns, and / or ever increasing entitlement expectations. It'll never work to keep costs down without a difference in service levels.

Listening to Mitt Romney several years ago--he stated that MASS. did a study--and found that 75% of the uninsured in his state could have easily afforded medical insurance--and just simply chose not to get it. The poor are always taken care of--what is happening today--is that people are abusing the funds that were set aside for the poor--and are raiding this fund when they themselves can easily afford a major medical policy. It's a big rip-off to the taxpayers and to the poor in this country. And unfortunately it happens every single day--in every public hospital-across this country.

Originally Posted by Oreo

Listening to Mitt Romney several years ago--he stated that MASS. did a study--and found that 75% of the uninsured in his state could have easily afforded medical insurance--and just simply chose not to get it. The poor are always taken care of--what is happening today--is that people are abusing the funds that were set aside for the poor--and are raiding this fund when they themselves can easily afford a major medical policy. It's a big rip-off to the taxpayers and to the poor in this country. And unfortunately it happens every single day--in every public hospital-across this country.

Yeah, but if the state run system goes into place, and it's on it's way until something stops it, there will be no motivation for anyone or any business, to support healthcare in any form, and the entire bill, along with it's continued demands for cost expansion, will be thrown on the shoulders of government. They'll only keep increasing tax rates. It's a really bad cycle to get into; ever expanding government.