Thread: Campaigning Like its 2008

Originally Posted by jviehe

Hes STILL blaming bush. At what point does Obama take responsibility for the tax exentions and spending bills that have his own name on them? Even if you accept his premise that he inherited a trillion dollar deficit in fy2009, why is the deficit 1.3 trillion today? Why has spending gone from 3 trillion to 3.6 trillion? Was Bush President in 2011 when the govt passed a 10 year debt ceiling package which has trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years? Did Bush write Obamas budget which proposes borrowing another 10 trillion?

This is like Bush ordering a steak and running, and then Obama eating it, and ordering another plus desert.




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Umm, why are you suprised? It seems that this is all he's got.

Im surprised that he keeps trying it and getting away with it. You would think at some point people would just laugh at him.

Hate to break it to you but 68% of Americans blame Bush including 49% of Republicans in a new Gallup poll.

An btw he's blaming Bush for ten years of failed deficit spending policies.

Man it's as if Republicans were blaming Nelson Mandela for Apartheid tree years into his presidency. Trying to blame Obama is that ridiculous and it won't work come Nov.

Originally Posted by Danny

Hate to break it to you but 68% of Americans blame Bush including 49% of Republicans in a new Gallup poll.

An btw he's blaming Bush for ten years of failed deficit spending policies.

Man it's as if Republicans were blaming Nelson Mandela for Apartheid tree years into his presidency. Trying to blame Obama is that ridiculous and it won't work come Nov.

Then who is responsible for the spending in 2012? The trillion dollar deficit? I see spending bills with Obamas signature on it. I see tax cut extensions with Obamas signature on it. I see a budget proposing trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years, with Obamas signature on it.

Lets accept the premise that its all Bush's fault. Obama didnt fix it. So at the very least, hes incompetent. Why should he get 4 more years to not fix anything?

Originally Posted by jviehe

Then who is responsible for the spending in 2012? The trillion dollar deficit? I see spending bills with Obamas signature on it. I see tax cut extensions with Obamas signature on it. I see a budget proposing trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years, with Obamas signature on it.

Lets accept the premise that its all Bush's fault. Obama didnt fix it. So at the very least, hes incompetent. Why should he get 4 more years to not fix anything?

Bush is responsible that's who. Obama may be presiding over it but you can't fix a hole this big in three years without collapsing the entire economy. Why would you expect somethign so unreasonable? Again...you wouldnt blame Mandela for apartheid.

Americans have memories. They are not stupid. You can't let Wall Street write its own rules, tax cut the shit out of the country, put a Medicare expansion and two wars on the credit card then expect the mess to be cleaned up in three years. It was a decade in the making and it's going to take time to fix. This isn't a radical position it's the independent position that just happens to suck for you but it's your own fault for voting Bush into office.

You remember how pissed liberals were in 04 when Bush got re elected? There was a REASON!!!

Originally Posted by Danny

Bush is responsible that's who. Obama may be presiding over it but you can't fix a hole this big in three years without collapsing the entire economy. Why would you expect somethign so unreasonable? Again...you wouldnt blame Mandela for apartheid.

This is just delusional....

Whatever are you going to do after November 4th?

I'm gonna remind you of the same thing. Americans will have rejected the failed policies of Bush/Romney and with good reason. Why would u want to go back???

Originally Posted by Danny

I'm gonna remind you of the same thing. Americans will have rejected the failed policies of Bush/Romney and with good reason. Why would u want to go back???

Go back to 5% unemployment?
Go back to 4-5% GDP growth?
Go back to 400 billion deficits?

Gee Danny I just don't know...

Originally Posted by Danny

Americans have memories. They are not stupid. You can't let Wall Street write its own rules, tax cut the shit out of the country, put a Medicare expansion and two wars on the credit card then expect the mess to be cleaned up in three years. It was a decade in the making and it's going to take time to fix. This isn't a radical position it's the independent position that just happens to suck for you but it's your own fault for voting Bush into office.

That's nice and all but you have still failed to address the fact that Obama has continued Bush's policies. In other words, your points fall flat.

Originally Posted by Danny

Bush is responsible that's who. Obama may be presiding over it but you can't fix a hole this big in three years without collapsing the entire economy. Why would you expect somethign so unreasonable? Again...you wouldnt blame Mandela for apartheid.

So youre agrument is that the Bush tax cuts ruined the economy, but Obama had to extend them to save the economy? And that Bush spending ruined the economy, but Obama had to continue them to save the economy? Lets say 3 years isnt enough? How long is enough? Obamas budget proposed trillions in spending for the next 10 years, with no tax increases. Did Bush force that budget on Obama? He has no alternative? What about the deficit commission which Obama set up, and recommended something totally different, which simplifies taxes, reduces spending, and the deficit. Did Bush force Obama to ignore those recomendations?

What about the platform Obama ran on, different than continuing Bush policies, which he has not implemented. Is that Bush's fault? Shouldnt Obama then have known that his own policies he ran on couldnt happen because Bush forced his hand? He either looks incompetent or cowardly.

If it was going to take more than one term he should have mentioned that during his campaign. Instead, he promised us the moon. It's fair to hold him to that.