Thread: Obama Now Leading in All National Polls

Hey JPN, want to put a hundred on the election? That'd but a shitload of Koolaid if you win.

Originally Posted by John Drake

I can't help but think that we will see a much stronger Obama during his second term and that will make a difference.

Right on !

Originally Posted by John Drake

I can't help but think that we will see a much stronger Obama during his second term and that will make a difference.

How so? Will he be "stronger" in changing his positions with the wind? Will he be more resolute in covering up the fuck-ups in his administration?

How will he be "much stronger"?

Originally Posted by adaher

What, he'll suddenly change? If anything, he'll be more likely to fold for Republicans, since they will control all of Congress and he'll want a legacy. Obama has pretty much given up on being FDR, he's going to have to settle for being Bill Clinton.

Perhaps we'll all be surprised !

Maybe. 2nd terms are rarely surprising. 1st terms are where we find out things we didn't expect, like Obama being much stronger on foreign policy and killing terrorists than we thought he'd be. On the downside, he's also a lot less transparent and a lot more overtly political than he led us to believe as well.

Originally Posted by adaher

What, he'll suddenly change? If anything, he'll be more likely to fold for Republicans, since they will control all of Congress and he'll want a legacy. Obama has pretty much given up on being FDR, he's going to have to settle for being Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton was a good president, I could live with that.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

How so? Will he be "stronger" in changing his positions with the wind? Will he be more resolute in covering up the fuck-ups in his administration?

How will he be "much stronger"?

Is it possible that Pres. Obama could be stronger if he pulls this off in Nov?. Would that not largely depend upon what happens in the House and Senate races and how that division of power in congress turns out? If the republicans get control of both entities, Obama will be faced with something worse than he has seen since the 2010 elections. The possible win of the republicans in congress will insure Obama will not be strong, because he will be fighting two opponents as they gang up on him to teach him a lesson. If the republicans win congress, and if Obama beats Romney, the republicans will see this as the american people electing obama so the republican congress could beat the shit out of him, punishment that he damn sure deserves.

The only fuck up of the Obama administration was ACA. He has gone after america's real enemies and killed the bastards. He aided in keeping america and europe out of another great depression, and many economists agree on this, and he has been supportive of social safety nets that have exploded due to free trade and the resulting off shoring of industry, and at least for awhile the rescue of our economy has kept the jobless rates out of the double digits.

He has taken the first economic crash led by the financial sector and has not made it worse, as the republicans would have. Anybody with a history book knows that we regulated banks decades ago because we knew from expererience how difficult and how slow it is to get out of a financial led recession. Given this fact, and given that we know that in the past financial led recessions take around 10 years to cycle out of, no one should have expected obama, or anyone else to work miracles. And to do so while ignoring the facts about financial led recessions illustrates a great tendency for total dishonesty.

But this financial led recession that Obama has not healed will take much longer than other financial led recessions if the jobless rate is taken into account. We shipped millions of jobs to communist china, and those 55,000 factories are not here to call back workers. That is the dog hair in the bowl of ice cream, that NO BODY even mentions, and even more than that, everyone just fucking acts like it does not exist.

So given the mess that Obama walked into, he has been able to keep his feet out of the big steamy piles of crap as well as anyone could have. And Obama only had 2 years to accomplish his agenda, with the last 2 years being met with an overwhelming political based resistance from the republicans. Any success he may have had, beyond his other limited successes, were killed before they could come to fruition. And some of the more rabid conservatives even blame him for this. It's like one man knocking another man down, and then gloating when he cannot get up under the flail of kicks and blows, while blaming him for being too weak to get up. But the fight started with a sucker punch. And it wasn't Obama breaking the Queensbury Rules.

Obama has two great hurdles in which he must jump. The piss poor state of the jobless rates, and ACA which people like me are totally against. I voted for Obama, but I never thought he would agree to mandated insurance from the private sector. That is something the republicans would do, and support.

While I think Obama has done a good job, given what he inherited and the bull dogged opposition who's only intent in governance was to make Obama a one term President, I parted ways with him on ACA. I believe there are millions of americans who feel the way that I do, and will vote for Romney because we hope he is telling the truth, as we gave the benefit to Obama in 08, and will do what he said he would do in regards to ACA. We may actually have a lot more americans voting this time on the ISSUES, instead of a personality. And this ACA issue will matter.

Originally Posted by jpn

The problem the Republicans have now is that Romney doesn't do desperation very well. He'll just feel compelled to lie even more gratuitously and transparently (hard to do, given his mendation track record to date) and suck up ever closer to the wingnuts and rich and greedy who increasingly will be all that remain of his supporters.

People like Sheldon Adelson.

Maybe it's time to start questioning Obama's birthplace again???

Well great jpn, that should give you hope that we will remain in this POS stagnant economy for another 4-1/2 years. That ought to make you very, very happy. (you must be a govt or union employee)

Originally Posted by RDK

Off the six that ran as incumbents there were two who did not have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning. Ford because of Nixon and Carter because of he was too far left and basically an ineffective president.

That means of the 4 with a chance of winning 3 won and only Bush 41 lost.

In the last 67 years, only 1 Democrat has won reelection.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

In the last 67 years, only 1 Democrat has won reelection.

Are you forgetting LBJ in 64? Technically that's a reelection, right? Naw, I guess not. But he chose not to run, so another way of looking at it is only one Democrat since Harry Truman ran for reelection and lost--Jimmy Carter.
Not that any of this makes any difference, of course. I'm amazed that Obama is anywhere close with over 8 percent unemployment. Just shows how pathetic the Republicans are. Gee, and they had such great candidates to choose from...

I'd put five successful governors over three one term Senators any day. There wasn't much "sizzle" in the Republican field, but they certainly had more substantive accomplishments than Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.

Originally Posted by adaher

I'd put five successful governors over three one term Senators any day. There wasn't much "sizzle" in the Republican field, but they certainly had more substantive accomplishments than Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.

Yes, and we learned so much from that "accomplished" field! For example, we learned that the HPV vaccination causes mental retardation, that our Founding Fathers worked "tirelessly" to end slavery, and that contraception is a danger to this country! Who knew!?!

I love to think that no fewer than three of the GOP candidates claimed that God had told them to run--Bachmann, Cain, and Governor "oops" Perry.
Now what does that say about the average "Christian" conservative's ability to devine God's will?
Not to mention their basic grasp on reality...

Gallop has Obama up by 4 points with less then 4 months to go......If you liberals think this is a good sighn yuou are a being foolish......Cause the next couple of months are going to a education when the tea party gears up once more.