Thread: Romney Killed My Wife

Originally Posted by jviehe

I dont think candidates have to denounce every comment made in support of them. Thats rediculous. But if someone asks the Obama campaign about it, he should be honest and say, they have a right to free speech, but I dont agree with the implication in the ad.

I don't believe they should denounce every comment either.

Just the heinous ones like this.

If Obama does not denounce this ad, then he will bear a large portion of the responsibility for it. It is packed with lies, and everyone knows it.

Originally Posted by jviehe

I dont think candidates have to denounce every comment made in support of them. Thats rediculous. But if someone asks the Obama campaign about it, he should be honest and say, they have a right to free speech, but I dont agree with the implication in the ad.

Well... that's a bit difficult in this case... as I pointed out above, and as detailed here:

Oops? President Barack Obama's re-election campaign washed its hands Wednesday of an independent group's vicious (and misleading) ad effectively blaming Mitt Romney for the death of a laid-off steelworker's wife from cancer. Campaign officials flatly denied any knowledge of the facts in the case—but it turns out the widower told the same story on an Obama campaign conference call in mid-May. (The Obama campaign responded late in the day: See update below).

And the update:

UPDATE, 5:51 pm: Reached for comment, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt reiterated that the campaign "didn't produce" the ad and tried to shift the attention to Democratic criticisms of Romney's business record.

"Joe Soptic suffered when he lost his job in the aftermath of the GST Steel plant closing, and no one is denying that he discussed that when he appeared in a campaign advertisement and on a conference call," LaBolt said by email.

The campaign owns this topic... and the taint of collusion with their super-PAC

Obama camp denies knowledge of cancer tale it told in May | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Originally Posted by dnsmith

Did you really expect Obama's campaign to tell the truth?

Nope. One should expect a higher level of discourse from our Commander in Chief, but the Obama campaign takes its lead from Obama. I am surprised of the numbers who find nothing wrong with this kind of disingenuous dishonest kind of campaigning.

If they did he would lose by double digits.

The Obama strategy may lead to that kind of loss anyway.

And I still won't vote for Romney. I will write in Sam Nunn.

I like Sam Nunn. Not a bad guy. But a vote for Sam would be a vote for Obama. So why go there?

Like every other past election our choice is between two, it does not matter how many are actually running for office. Barring an Act of God our choice will be Romney or Obama -- voting for anyone else will amount to a vote for the one you least want to win.

tashi deleks,

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I have to throw this in...............last night I saw Wolf Blitzer chastising a Obama campaign guy for the false and misleading ad followed by another anchor throwing in her two cents about how wrong it was. I had to hit the info button on my remote to see if it really was CNN.
When a "in the bag for Obama" network like CNN cries foul there is obviously a problem.
That being said, Romney's people don't know WTF they're doing. Their approach is all wrong, IMO. I'd run ads featuring footage like this:
FLASHBACK: Obama: My Presidency Will Be 'A One-Term Proposition' If Economy Doesn't Turn In 3 Years - YouTube

It's funny. Now the Obama campaign and the MSM carrying water for them, are trying to compare the "Romney killed my wife ad" to Romney's "Obama removed the work requirement for welfare ad." The problem is, Romney's ad is true.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Well... that's a bit difficult in this case... as I pointed out above, and as detailed here:



And the update:



The campaign owns this topic... and the taint of collusion with their super-PAC

Obama camp denies knowledge of cancer tale it told in May | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Right, and I said he should answer questions about it. But Im talking about denouncement.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

It's funny. Now the Obama campaign and the MSM carrying water for them, are trying to compare the "Romney killed my wife ad" to Romney's "Obama removed the work requirement for welfare ad." The problem is, Romney's ad is true.

Dan,
How is the propaganda going, if you repeat these lies enough there might be someone dumb enough to believe you.

So on to the truth...
PolitiFact | Obama ad claims Romney, Bain left misery in wake of GST Steel takeover

ain (and Romney) made a profit from taking over GST, and the employees lost many benefits their union had negotiated, including supplemental pension payments. The federal government had to step in to shore up the fund.

We rate the claim Mostly True.

So Dan you like a guy who strips a company so much it went in to bankrupcy and the Government had to look after the employees. I didn't know that what you wanted your taxes to go ohttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...bandons-tenet/

Romney’s ad says, "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."

That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.

The ad tries to connect the dots to reach this zinger: "They just send you your welfare check." The HHS memo in no way advocates that practice. In fact, it says the new policy is "designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

The ad’s claim is not accurate, and it inflames old resentments about able-bodied adults sitting around collecting public assistance. Pants on Fire!

Problem you got is Romney is telling way reckless with the truth than Obama...

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Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Your contention that we have 50 million Americans without health insurance insinuates that they have no health care and that is simply not the case. In the first place, the 50 million number is a gross exaggeration. Secondly, about 12 million of those people are illegal aliens, here illegally taking American jobs. Many are people who simply do not want to purchase health insurance but would rather pay the bills as they come. You also ignore the fact the most of the newly insured are already on some form of government assisted health care program like Medicaid or some child care program. In essence, what Obamacare is doing is giving people something as the expense of others. It i giving them something that others have had to work for. Those who don't pay are overwhelming the system and will soon be able to vote themselves anything they want at the expense of the few who produce. At that time those who produce will no longer have any incentive to produce and our system will go down the drain.

In my mind, that is exactly what people like Obama want. In my mind, for people like Reid and Pelosi, that is going to be an unintended consequence of their attempts to stay in power by keeping people dependent on them. Our government and way of life cannot survive after people are able to vote themselves largess from the treasury.

And since you like cartoons:

Do you believe illegals deserve healthcare?

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

It's funny. Now the Obama campaign and the MSM carrying water for them, are trying to compare the "Romney killed my wife ad" to Romney's "Obama removed the work requirement for welfare ad." The problem is, Romney's ad is true.

Except it's not true. Worse for Romney, what he's talking about is something he sought and did himself, thus making yet another flip flop for him that will be hammered home.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Right, and I said he should answer questions about it. But Im talking about denouncement.

Please dear God don't cease respiratory function in anticipation of that ever happening.

Never seen a candidate's minions stoop so low?

remember Purple Heart bandaids , half the Purple Hearts awarded in Vietnam were for injuries not requiring hospitalization, so on behalf of a guy who used his father's connections to avoid combat and then deserted, the GOP pissed in the Cheerios of 175,000 Purple Heart recipients...

Originally Posted by CowboyTed

Dan,
How is the propaganda going, if you repeat these lies enough there might be someone dumb enough to believe you.

So on to the truth...
PolitiFact | Obama ad claims Romney, Bain left misery in wake of GST Steel takeover


So Dan you like a guy who strips a company so much it went in to bankrupcy and the Government had to look after the employees. I didn't know that what you wanted your taxes to go ohttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...bandons-tenet/



Problem you got is Romney is telling way reckless with the truth than Obama...

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Do you believe illegals deserve healthcare?

Again, you, politifact, and fact check ignore the reasons behind these activities. No state asked for any waivers to the Welfare to Work provisions. This was a spontaneous offer by HHS. Why? Think about it.

Originally Posted by goober

Never seen a candidate's minions stoop so low?

remember Purple Heart bandaids , half the Purple Hearts awarded in Vietnam were for injuries not requiring hospitalization, so on behalf of a guy who used his father's connections to avoid combat and then deserted, the GOP pissed in the Cheerios of 175,000 Purple Heart recipients...

You mean like, unlike the PAC ad, a former one term Governor from your state who personally sought welfare waivers to get people off welfare and into jobs and now flip flops on them to tell a big lie about it?

The ad about Romney is a lie.

If the Obama camp believes it's not, then they should have the balls to say so. If they believe the ad is a lie, they should have the balls to say that, too. But Democrats and liberals have a devout fondness for liars, so I don't suspect we'll see that happen. Obama and his camp lack the balls to do the right thing.

And, you know, as an aside, when I think of the prospect of Barack Obama being re-elected, I actually feel a little sorry for him, simply because he's going to be inheriting an incredible mess from the 2008-2012 Presidency.