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Old 04-12-2007
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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It could very well happen. Sharpton once paid out a $345,000 judgment in a defamation of character lawsuit concerning his actionable accusations in the Tawana Brawley hoax.

If you haven't heard of it:

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Thanks for the link.

I remember hearing about this a bit when the suit was initially filed but didn't catch the outcome. I guess suits like these are not much of a concern so long as he has enough funding to cover his expenses, and to pay damages.

I watched Anderson Cooper interview Jesse Jackson last night and Cooper asked about the case and what Jackson would do about his prior (slanderous) comments. Jackson essentially waltzed around the question and ended up blaming the 3 students anyway for going to strip clubs and hiring strippers which is a sin in his eyes, and that if they didn't, they would not have ended up in the position they were in.

To me that doesn't justify his comments at the time and he appears that he is just looking for a way to save face. I'm hoping that more attention is paid to his (and Sharpton's) comments at the time. I was a little surprised that Cooper asked him the questions flat out but now that the topic has been breached perhaps more will do the same.

Edit: I found the transcript at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/..
about 3/4 down the page

Here is the part I caught

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A. COOPER: There also was -- I mean, one of the things the attorneys are talking about is this rush to judgment and the media and in the public discourse.

They cited you, as well, as part of this on TV shows and editorials. You did suggest that there was a wall of silence put up by the white lacrosse players, and he repeatedly talked about their past misdemeanors criminal really talked about the arrest record of the accuser.

In looking back in how you spoke about this, do you have any regrets?

JACKSON: No. Well, there were past -- there were past misdemeanor charges. These athletes often feel entitled paying money to watch women dance naked before them. Now, did they go as far as molesting her? Apparently not.

A. COOPER: But if that's a crime, though, then most of the men in America should be arrested, because there's strip joints and -- you know, a couple blocks from my home.

JACKSON: Most men in America don't do that, and shouldn't do that. And when they do that, it is never right. In fact, when you reduce women dancing before you naked, it's the first step for domestic violence.

And so let's not -- while they're free, apparently, of this charge of sexual molestation, and that's a good thing, let's not make a virtue of men paying women to dance naked before them. That's not a virtue.
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Old 04-12-2007
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

One of the young men made a good point at their press conference. They come from wealthy families who were able to hire top notch lawyers to fight this. God only knows what would have happened to 3 nobodies who were caught in this prosecutor's re-election machinery.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

They'd have gone to prison.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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One of the young men made a good point at their press conference. They come from wealthy families who were able to hire top notch lawyers to fight this. God only knows what would have happened to 3 nobodies who were caught in this prosecutor's re-election machinery.
yes agreed....
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

didnt read all the posts in this thread but i came up with a thought as i drove home yesterday from my business trip

if this was a white gal who had accused 3 black college basketball players

there would be a huge uproar over the fact that it wasnt true

but it seems to me no one is really that caught up in it now that the stripper is found to be a liar
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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didnt read all the posts in this thread but i came up with a thought as i drove home yesterday from my business trip

if this was a white gal who had accused 3 black college basketball players

there would be a huge uproar over the fact that it wasnt true

but it seems to me no one is really that caught up in it now that the stripper is found to be a liar
I don't know about you Rakkasan but in the media here in Australia they're giving it a huge amount of print/air-time. In fact I'd characterise it as a "huge uproar".
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I don't know about you Rakkasan but in the media here in Australia they're giving it a huge amount of print/air-time. In fact I'd characterise it as a "huge uproar".
not seeing it, but maybe its cause i think to be quite honest that if the races were reversed it would go into the mode of racial profiling and things like that

so the news people and the talking heads would be branching into more tangents

right now its all nifong is a moron

i think it would be much larger again if the circumstances were different and that i think is a problem in our society

yes we need to protect the "whistle blowers" and "victims" in our society

but once shown to be liars they need to receive some wrath

these kids lives are ruined and had they no means they would be in jail for no reason
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

Their lives aren't ruined. They'll shrug it off, graduate and walk into comfortable jobs in the law, commerce or whatever it is they choose to do. Heck they'll be free to go to West Point or Annapolis or Colorado Springs.
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Their lives aren't ruined. They'll shrug it off, graduate and walk into comfortable jobs in the law, commerce or whatever it is they choose to do. Heck they'll be free to go to West Point or Annapolis or Colorado Springs.
I disagree.....i was brought up on charges in the military on a EO complaint

situation was that i told a black single female drill instructor that i couldnt wait to no longer work with fucking pogues anymore since all they do is comnplain and moan and not want to work

she filed a complaint on me for "MOS discrimination"(job discrimination)

Now of course it wasnt founded and nothing happened but when she didnt get her way she of course spread that i called her a bitch and it was everywhere


every female drill in that BN thought i was a sexist cause there was a case and of course she lied

point being this shit follows someone even if not founded , it doesnt just shrug off......
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

I think it's horrible what happened to the Duke students. Without any facts, the DA incited a lynchmob mentality with the locals, students, and even the faculty who presumed them guilty. If anyone had stopped for one minute, and used some rational thought on her statement of being violenty raped by three men at the same time, and the known facts at the time, they may have at the very least questioned the accusations.

The only reason their lives will not be ruined is because the AG declared them innocent, and said Nyfong was a rogue prosecutor. Anything short of those statements would have still left doubt with some people...Once accused of rape is as good as guilty. I actually heard some Prosecuting talking heads still insisting something happened. (People like Nancy Grace, and that Wendy talking head give all lawyers a bad name.)

I also think if this had been a white accuser, and three black men that they would be serving life in prison by now.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

None of the students was found guilty. End of story. They will not suffer.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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None of the students was found guilty. End of story. They will not suffer.
And who is going to remove all the hits from Google when you type in any of their names? If you think this won't follow them you are dreaming.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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Their lives aren't ruined. They'll shrug it off, graduate and walk into comfortable jobs in the law, commerce or whatever it is they choose to do. Heck they'll be free to go to West Point or Annapolis or Colorado Springs.
One of them lost a 70k per year entry level job opportunity when this first started.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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And who is going to remove all the hits from Google when you type in any of their names? If you think this won't follow them you are dreaming.
That tells me more about their prospective bosses than it does about anything else.
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Re: Duke Lacrosse Case Dropped

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One of them lost a 70k per year entry level job opportunity when this first started.
Yes, my point exactly. There'll be plenty along soon enough. The further away from the incident, the more the prospects. Privilege doesn't deny privilege.
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