[quote=solletica;976660]If they were a close, peaceful, and loving family, he wouldn't have turned out the way he was.


QUOTE] Sorry, but that is strictly BS. I have four grown children They all have the same parents, but they are as different as day and night.

And you're a psychologist?

I'm not 100% sure about the sex abuse claim but two of the plays Cho wrote in college allude to male authority figures (in one case, a stepfather) abusing him and other kids. The plays were garbage, but they're laced with anger toward male authority figures who sexually abuse kids.

News: Cho Seung-Hui Penned Violent Plays: 'Richard McBeef' & 'Mr. Brownstone' - The Post Chronicle

Put it together, man.

In real life, most mass murderers grew up in crummy, dysfunctional families. That's a documented fact.

I suggest you do some reading yourself.

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[quote=doniston;976919]Are they frightening loners who mumbled in high school and sent harrassing text messages to people they never knew?

It's impossible to become the way Seung Cho-Hui was without having a dysfunctional childhood.

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No, the phrase "...that's kids" is a totally ridiculous (and insensitive) statement, because the depression stats for adolescents are about equal to that of adults. 12% for adolescents, 16% for adults.

How Common is Depression - Overview of Depression in women and men - Statistics

Teen Depression Statistics : Help for Depressed Teenagers

Can't blame you, though. Most parents are clueless.

Some are just more clueless than others.

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I know a few things about life. Not much, but at least a few.

So your argument is:
1)Most people with psychological problems grew up in dysfunctional families, but not all.
2)Cho Seung-Hui had psychological problems.
3)Therefore Cho Seung-Hui grew up in a dysfunctional family.

Solletica, that's nonsense. You're making wide generalisations, you're not taking the specifics into account, you make wild guesses and then think you can proceed to accuse people of child abuse upon that so-called evidence ?!

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Read your own links:
16% of all adults will experience depression.

Spoilers! The adult part of life lasts about 6 times as long as the teenage part of life.Which means that depression is much more likely among teenagers than among adults. Something that everybody knew at all times, except, apparantly, you.

Anyway, Cho wasn't facing depression but probably social anxiety, along with other problems. Social anxiety is a disorder which makes nearly impossible all communication with new people (ie, it isn't expressed in a family). It can cause a depression, but the depression would always be a symptom, not the problem. Typically, people displaying this disorder will try to hide it. Because of their disorder, they are scared shitless at the idea of people learning anything bad about them,including the disorder itself.

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if this is sarcasm I must have missed it...what else is he or she doing?

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Oh, that's authoritative



#2 is wrong. He didn't merely have psychological problems (everyone does). Here is the corrected version. . .

2)He was totally dysfunctionally socially (the kid never spoke in class in high school), and had 0 friends and he creeped everyone out. And on top of that, he massacred a whole bunch of students.

Make the above change, and 1-3 will make sense.

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I never blamed his family for the attack. You made that up, pal.

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your words "pal" so what the heck are you saying then? You are saying they should have known and done something...and there was “complete indifference” hence my comment regards having kids and how they grow and what you experience watching them grow........don’t back peddle .....IF you had children you might be more informed....your barroom psychology is ridiculous...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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I don't think you got it. There is a possibility that people become mad even in a perfectly normal family.You made a false syllogism.

Let me show you:
1)Most brown-haired people have brown eyes. Bob has brown hair. Therefore, Bob has brown eyes.
2)Most madmen have dysfunctional families. Cho was a madman. Therefore, Cho had a dysfunctional family.

Both 1) and 2) are false.

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In this case, it's not difficult to find what one of the reasons for the murderer's madness could be: he came to the USA at age 8, and never learnt to speak english properly. It is well known that kids with speach problems are more likely to develop social anxiety; that plus the problems of cultural adaptation and a natural shyness could be the beginning of an explanation. It is of course possible that he was sexually abused or that his mother was a sadist who killed baby cats and dogs for fun. But you've got no conclusive evidence.

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Actually, the more relevant statistic is that the average age for the onset of depression is not the adolescent years, but the mid-20s.

Hence, adolescents are not the most depressed segment of society.

Wrong, it's more likely among 25-44 y/os. See above.

He wasn't just facing social anxiety--social anxiety is common. He was practically mute during his grade school years and repelled anyone who came near him.

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Yes, that's what I'm saying. It was the parents' job to intervene early in his life to treat his emotional issues. They did not. Therefore, they failed as parents.

If I had kids and one them was practically speechless, i. e. mumbling in class instead of speaking properly, had zero friends, scared everyone he saw, I would certainly know about it and do something about it. Any sensible parent ought to. I would not just say "Oh well, that's kids!"

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While I can't say that I've agreed with all you've posted, this one hits home. In the school I teach at, there is a first grader that will not speak, except for nods, monosyllables, etc. The parents refuse to address the problem-worse yet, he's been in our school since he was 3. Full day kindergarten, yet the first grade teacher was the first to say this behavior goes beyond, 'painfully shy.'

He refuses to interact with other students, will not read aloud, his written work is too low to use for communication.

Do you understand the word "average"? If two kids start a depression at 14 and one adult start a depression at 60, the average age will be 27.


Source is as vague as possible. What kind of depression are they talking about? The kind that leads to suicide?
And how do you conciliate your current source with the previous one, which stated that adolescents are about 6 times more likely to suffer from depression than adults? You make statements, and then go and try to find information to support them. I'm tired of this bullshit.

What you just described is called social anxiety. Don't mistake social anxiety for shyness. Also, even among people with social anxiety, there are varying levels of magnitude.
Way to show you know absolutely nothing of the subject.

I'm out of that discussion - it's pointless to discuss with you.


But we don't know how Cho Sueng-Hui's disorder developed: he was 23 during the shootings, which means he's been an adult for a few years already; perhaps it became dramatically worse in the last few years. The parents knew that he had social problems - we don't know what they did about it.

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