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I think that's flawed, simply because it suggests that the two must be connected. I don't think that's true. There's actually not a need for either to trump the other.
My proposition if "flawed" only in practical execution. That is to say, I can't really fathom a practical scenario in which one might have to choose between "punishing" an offender and "saving" a victim. Perhaps that could be the stuff of an interesting episode of "Law & Order: SVU".

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In the scenario you provide, of course I would prevent the molestation of a child.
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I don't believe we'll ever see a time, though, where the only way to prevent something like that is to allow someone who's already committed the act off the hook...
Yes, agreed. I was proposing the scenario only to ascertain which pursuit you considered to be more important.
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I actually like the "eye for an eye" law.
How many times do we turn on the news just to hear about crap such as this?
IMO the current system is failing to protect the innocent.
In a world rife with psychopaths, the law will always fail to protect some of the innocent. Not to sound callous, but why all of the outrage for this particular baby. I think it's safe to assume that in the days since you've posted this thread, any number of children in Africa have died significantly worse deaths than this one. Why the outrage and clamor for action? Is it because this death made the headlines?
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IMO, start using that rusty saw and child molestation will drop.
Really? Do you think that the kind of deviant who molests children is going to be deterred?
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Why can't it be both?
It can - I'm just asking which is more important.

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Hell, vengeful punishment could also serve to prevent future crimes. If I was a child rapist, and I saw another child rapist be killed by some giant guy torturing and raping him to death, I'd think twice before cruising the streets of neighborhoods and offering candy and car rides again.
You probably would - but you're not a child molester and thus probably incapable of understanding the deviant mind. From what I understand, these sorts of people are driven compulsively to do what they do, and all of the threats in the world aren't going to stop them (consider that if they get caught and imprisoned, they are generally tortured by other inmates. And then, when they "pay their due" to society, they are constantly ostracized and persecuted upon release, so to speak).

Personally, I've always maintained that the most reasonable thing to do with child molesters/predators is to euthanize them. They're completely incapable of functioning in a normal manner in society, and their existence is probably equally torturous to them as it is to the rest of us. But then, a needle in the arm is a far cry from the clamoring for medieval torture that we see in threads here on the subject.
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Re: Dad Burns Baby In Microwave

I'm noticing that I've posted a bunch of responses in a row, so after this one, I'll probably "chill" for a bit. But, here's something to ponder:

Doesn't it strike anyone as ironic to fight sadism with sadism?
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I'm noticing that I've posted a bunch of responses in a row, so after this one, I'll probably "chill" for a bit. But, here's something to ponder:

Doesn't it strike anyone as ironic to fight sadism with sadism?
Yes.

It makes you no better than the original perpetrator, except that you're a self righteous hypocrite to boot.
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A horrible situation; one which I hope lands this fucker in prison for a very, very long time.

Still, the question remains: How the fuck do you fit a kid in a microwave? I've got a good size microwave, but I don't think I could fit a kid in there without a Helluva' lot of effort...
One of the very few times I agree with you ... How the heck did that fool put a kid (even a baby) in a microwave???
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Oh, and no I'm not for any of the sadism mentioned in this thread ... I'd just like to see such a person locked up for life. That's it.
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Oh, and no I'm not for any of the sadism mentioned in this thread ... I'd just like to see such a person locked up for life. That's it.
I agree.

Incidentally, prison "justice" can be brutal enough. Child molestors / abusers and rapists get it the worst. Can you imagine what they'd do to a guy that put his kid in a microwave?
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Incidentally, prison "justice" can be brutal enough. Child molestors / abusers and rapists get it the worst. Can you imagine what they'd do to a guy that put his kid in a microwave?
Fully agree. They'd probably skin him alive or some such thing ...

I think it's a bit hypocritical to decry a crime such as the one discussed, yet at the same time advocate that type of treatment towards another human being, no matter how mentally disturbed that person may be.
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I agree.



Let me ask you something. Do you believe that these sorts of horrific crimes are becoming more "popular" or do you believe that their reporting and legal follow up is becoming more thorough? That is to say, I'm willing to be that 100 years ago, you could smother a baby if you didn't want it, and everyone concerned would have been willing to categorize the baby's demise as "Sudden Infant Death". In this day and age, with strides in forensics and what-not, "disposing" of an unwanted family member is much more difficult and raises many more questions.

The same is true in many aspects of society. For example, do you think that there was really a sudden and unprecedented explosion in the molestation of children by "abstinent" Catholic priests, or do you think that it was probably always swept under the rug until recently?

You have a point, it could be that we are hearing more of it.
But it's still wrong and I still think that the punishment should fit the crime.
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In a world rife with psychopaths, the law will always fail to protect some of the innocent. Not to sound callous, but why all of the outrage for this particular baby. I think it's safe to assume that in the days since you've posted this thread, any number of children in Africa have died significantly worse deaths than this one. Why the outrage and clamor for action? Is it because this death made the headlines?
My anger isn't just over this childs death, it is over all of the child related crap going on.
The ex and I done Emergency Foster care and Emergency child rescue care and I can assure you that I've seen things that would bring you blood to boil. That is why I think pictures should be included in stories, people just can't grasp the horrific wrong doings just by reading the story.
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Doesn't it strike anyone as ironic to fight sadism with sadism?
I hate it when you ask questions such as that. I think you enjoy playing devils advocate.

My reponse is: "Humans haven't evolved enough to completely disband barbarian practices".
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I hate it when you ask questions such as that. I think you enjoy playing devils advocate.

My reponse is: "Humans haven't evolved enough to completely disband barbarian practices".
Devil's advocate or not, the question was very valid indeed.
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I hate it when you ask questions such as that. I think you enjoy playing devils advocate.

My reponse is: "Humans haven't evolved enough to completely disband barbarian practices".
We certainly have. Unless you are suggesting that you are less evolved than some of us.
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