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Old 06-07-2007
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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I see you prescribe to the "guilty until proven innocent" approach.
You're own ridiculous words convict you. I would assume that someone with your superior intellect would understand that.
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Wait, are you serious? This young man was prosecuted in Georgia because of a Tennessee law? Only in the South.
Typographical error. Substitute Georgia. My bad.

Your trolling, however, remains unaffected.

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I am able to notice that locations as "Dallas, TX" and "Louisiana". I wasn't educated in the South so I am capable of reading comprehension. Interracial couples are common but also despised. The fact that the case took place in the South is relevant because we all know what that region of America represents. The South is like a brain tumor. We really don't want it in America, but we can't get rid of it.
WOW!! So according Reino, I lack reading comprehension skills, despise members of my own family, and I'm part of the brain tumor America doesn't want?!?!? Thanks for letting me know that's the impression I leave around here.
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Old 06-07-2007
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

Betcha the kid won't do it again ..
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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WOW!! So according Reino, I lack reading comprehension skills, despise members of my own family, and I'm part of the brain tumor America doesn't want?!?!? Thanks for letting me know that's the impression I leave around here.
But, Crystal, he said:

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I meant no offense and I'm not trying to bait.
Yeah, right.
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Old 06-07-2007
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

Society changes, the law doesn't.
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Old 06-07-2007
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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How did the police find out a crime had been committed? Did the girl go tell her parents, "I gave Genarlow a blow job" and her parents rush out and file a police report? Do you know of any 15 year old girls who rush home to tell their parents that? I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to say this should have never gone to trial to begin with. Was it a case built on hear say and then he incriminated himself?

I think it should have never been reported as a crime and certainly should not have gone to trial. It's really screwed up that if they had had actual sex, they would have fallen under some kind of Romeo and Juliet exception, but a blow job will get you 10 years?!?!
Here are the explanations:

1.) The police found a video tape when investigating a seperate rape charge filed by a 17 year old who had sex at the same party
2.) That rape charge resulted in acquitals
3.) Georgias Romeo and Juliet Statutes did not cover oral/anal making it child molestation
4.) 'Sodomy' is considered especially immoral, hence the "Aggravated" part of his charge
5.) Georgia has since changed the law, but does not retroactively pardon him
6.) The governor cannot pardon him but the prosecuter can dismiss the charges, but does not feel he appears "sorry enough" for his crime of having consensual sex
7.) The girl has never disputed the fact that it was consensual
8.) The jury never had it explained that this would carry a minimum sentence of 10 years

So there it all is. The judge should have thrown out the sentence immediately as he is allowed to do, as it was in contravention to the bar against "cruel and unusual punishments" to punish a person more harshly for what would be considered a lesser sexual act.
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Old 06-08-2007
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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. . . So there it all is. The judge should have thrown out the sentence immediately as he is allowed to do, as it was in contravention to the bar against "cruel and unusual punishments" to punish a person more harshly for what would be considered a lesser sexual act.
Although often criticised on its logic, the SCOTUS in recent years has held that legislatures can freely set the sentences for any crime as they wish, and the length of the sentence for any crime does not fall under the 'Cruel and Unusual Punishment' clause. They have held that it only applies to types of punishments and not to proportionality questions on the lengths of sentences (an example would be that if a court sentenced John Doe to undergo some wierd torture procedure then this would fall under the C & U clause, whilst getting life without parole for smoking a joint under a statute that allows that sentence would not fall under the C & U clause).

What puzzles me here--besides not writing the laws sensibly--is why the state simply doesn't withdraw the charges. Even the drafters said it wasn't intended to apply this way; it merely does by its wording. Thus, the Governor or other higher-ups ought to instruct the District Attorney to simply withdraw the charges and release him. If anyone is stupid enough not to do this in elected office, the ballot box is a perfect remedy. No person who thinks this is a fair use of that law has proper head sense and ought to be voted out or removed. The District Attorney ought to be voted out for thinking this is acceptable, and if he is appointed, then he ought to be removed and the voting public ought to make that clear.
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

Voting out stupid/incompetent individuals is good but it doesn't help the poor bugger who's in the slammer. This is patently unjust.
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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This is a dumb law and ruling. A 17 year old and a 15 year old? He ain't getting 10 years anyway.

And why is this a race issue? Are you people that dumb as to not realize that THERE ARE ALOT OF BLACK PEOPLE IN GEORGIA? Who told the authorities that she blew this guy anyway? A BLACK GIRL. Once again, Jimmy Carter shows why he was the worst president of all time.
No shit. This is the stupidest thing I've .... seen in the last hour or so LOL

Next we'll hear of a 6 year old getting 10 years for playing doctor and looking at the "parts" of a 5 year old.

I bet Jimmy Carter would hoof and poof and carry on about THAT too
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

Someone mentioned that the police found a cell phone video?

Then that is an entirely different thing - that is child pornography and child exploitation...and THAT is completely different than just consensual sex.

If the cell phone thing is real - then I agree with the sentence....however I don't agree that he would not be eligible for parole/good behavior IF this is his first offense of this nature.
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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OMG! Are you serious?!?! Why is it I always feel somewhat less sorry for folks when they record themselves? It's still stupid to get 10 years for a blow job and then have to register as a sex offender.


And again, OMG! Are you serious?!?!? First, I think race is a really ignorant subject to bring into this. It was a blow job and as far as I know men of all races enjoy being on the recieving end of such an act. Secondly, how do you know any white folks were even present at the party? The article makes it very clear that all participants were black. I don't know...maybe a white person would have been charged and convicted of a lesser crime and that's the angle.
Well, the judicial system does statistically tend to be a tad more lenient towards white men than black men, so in that regard...it's theoretically possible that it really is. But, we're talking about the court of public opinion here, and hence, racism gets people blood boiling a hell of a lot more than a simple travesty of justice. So, if you want people involved...there can be no doubt, it must be an issue of racism.

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BTW, I'm highly disgusted that the article even starts out saying, "A Georgia judge is expected to decide by Monday whether to toss out a mandatory 10-year prison sentence for a black man who was convicted...". What's wrong with simply saying, "...for a man who was convicted..."?
Simple, when you're trying to convince your audience that a person is a victim, if you don't add 'black' no one is going to care.

On top of it all, in the court of public opinion you are fighting against 30 years of anti-male propoganda and bias. People will assume guilt and thus dismiss your argument. If your attempting to spark a public reaction, a travesty of justice against a white man will gain little to no traction unless you can prove absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt that the 'man' involved is a victim (and even then a not insignificant amount of people will doubt it. See : Duke rape case.) But, add the race card, you get protests, you get letters to the government, you get all forms of civil reaction.
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Old 06-11-2007
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

The sentence has been vacated: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/11/tee....ap/index.html

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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

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The state is likely to appeal the ruling.
You mean the state is going to appeal the vacated sentence? WTF? Still it's a good first step.
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Re: Teen gets 10 years for consensual oral sex with 15 year old.

Great news! I highly doubt the state will appeal the ruling or that it will be overturned by the supreme court.
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