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SChaos1701 · #16 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Aye - and I'll tell you another reason...sites like NAMBLA, for the most part are harmless - if someone goes there - they are already a sicko - the most damning internet sites are the 100,000's that post daily pics and vids purposely depicting scenes where an older guy is humping a seemingly younger girl...I remember reading an article that was saying the word "teen" was in the top 100 searched words used in search engines...and the word video ranks in the top 10.

"Lolita" stuff doesn't help matters any.

Captain Trips · #17 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

CT, you should do some reading on Freud's early theories. He talks about the impact of child molestation. It's not a modern thing at all.

I didn't say it was a modern thing.

I said I think we're seeing more OF it due, in part, to todays culture of hedonism we live in.

Captain Trips · #18 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Aye - and I'll tell you another reason...sites like NAMBLA, for the most part are harmless - if someone goes there - they are already a sicko - the most damning internet sites are the 100,000's that post daily pics and vids purposely depicting scenes where an older guy is humping a seemingly younger girl...I remember reading an article that was saying the word "teen" was in the top 100 searched words used in search engines...and the word video ranks in the top 10.

A culture that focusses on little more than the pursuit of pleasure will produce these kinds of problems.

What I find kind of strange and creepy is the people that just CANNOT understand the cause of a greater number of these kinds of things HAPPENING.

This isn't rocket science people

pramjockey · #19 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

I didn't say it was a modern thing.

I said I think we're seeing more OF it due, in part, to todays culture of hedonism we live in.

But how do you know? Maybe it's because we're actually allowed to talk about it, but the per-capita rate is about the same.

Captain Trips · #20 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

But how do you know? Maybe it's because we're actually allowed to talk about it, but the per-capita rate is about the same.

Is it now ?

How, exactly, did you come by THAT ?

Just a guess ?

Just an assumption ?

Speakeasy · #21 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Meridious

Would you still defend it if the penalty was death by dismemberment? I don't know you, but I'd bet that you'd sing a different song if the penalty was slow death by [insert method here]. I'd bet that the "rule of law" would not be the forfront of your opinion at that point...I don't think for one second the line that individual opinoins on sickening crimes like these against children are based only on "What the rule of law states."

Not for a second. It is in our nature, ingrained in us to protect and defend our children and our neighbors' children at probably any cost, and I don't believe for a second that the desire to see a man utterly destroyed for having raped, sodomized, and tortured their child or someone else's child is simply tossed aside and the "rule of law" controls the heart.

Man, Spock has nothing on those who can just turn off the travesty and the sadness and the sickness to tell us that the rule of law governs their heart and opinion...and I don't believe it.

Whats the difference between a man who fantasizes about having sex with a child and a man who fantasizes about people getting "starved to death or killed on the rack"? They both seem pretty damn twisted to me.

And I know a thing or two about computer forensics and the methods used to catch creeps like these. I'll tell you now that while it's incredibly interesting and usually pretty fool proof, it's not always an exact science. How many of these people had a wifi connection and had a pedophile using their internet? How many of these people had a house guest using their computer? What methods did they use to track these people? You think that all 700 of these people are guilty? Perhaps these things should be considered before throwing these men on the rack.

Speakeasy · #22 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Just a guess ?

Just an assumption ?

And where is your argument coming from?

iTaliAN_ICe · #23 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

While these ARE good things (the rule of law and due process) why does it seem like we're hearing about more and more perverts molesting kids these days ?

Oh yeah. I forgot.

Because in the past we all kept it secret RIGHT ?

Yeah, that's it

No, it's because today we're living in an unrestrained, hedonistic culture.

If it feels good DO it.

Hurry up-n-do it

No. It's because we're becoming too lenient in our punishments for these types of sick crimes.

pramjockey · #24 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Is it now ?

How, exactly, did you come by THAT ?

Just a guess ?

Just an assumption ?

At least I'll admit when I don't know.

It seems fairly logical to me that per-capita abuse hasn't changed that much, but a society that permits reporting would then see an increase in the number of crimes reported.

Hell, look at some countries in the world where being raped is a crime (not for the rapist). How many women report rape there, do you think? Similar circumstances here - if reporting the crime is as traumatic as the crime itself, it isn't likely to be reported.

Captain Trips · #25 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

No. It's because we're becoming too lenient in our punishments for these types of sick crimes.

Alrighty.

We agree on SOMETHING.

That's cool.

Captain Trips · #26 (**permalink**) 06-21-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

At least I'll admit when I don't know.

It seems fairly logical to me that per-capita abuse hasn't changed that much, but a society that permits reporting would then see an increase in the number of crimes reported.

Hell, look at some countries in the world where being raped is a crime (not for the rapist). How many women report rape there, do you think? Similar circumstances here - if reporting the crime is as traumatic as the crime itself, it isn't likely to be reported.

So, you admit you don't know. That's good enough.

But, then you carry on with everything you can think of to divert our attention away from the possibility or even likelyhood that what I'm saying is correct.

pramjockey · #27 (**permalink**) 06-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

So, you admit you don't know. That's good enough.

But, then you carry on with everything you can think of to divert our attention away from the possibility or even likelyhood that what I'm saying is correct.

I do?

What about where you're basing your argument from?

Captain Trips · #28 (**permalink**) 06-22-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

I do?

Yes, observation tells me that this is what you're doing. You carry on about how "It seems fairly logical to me that per-capita abuse hasn't changed that much...."

and:

"look at some countries in the world where being raped is a crime (not for the rapist). How many women report rape there, do you think? "

So, because "it seems fairly logical to you that per-capita abuse hasn't changed that much" and in some bass-ackwards countries getting RAPED is a crime, we can conclude that our sex focussed, pleasure seeking, hedonistic culture has nothing to do with any of this ?

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

What about where you're basing your argument from?

Not really an argument as much as it is an observation. I said:

A culture that focusses on little more than the pursuit of pleasure will produce these kinds of problems.

What I find kind of strange and creepy is the people that just CANNOT understand the cause of a greater number of these kinds of things HAPPENING.

This isn't rocket science people.

This is what I'M seeing. If YOU'RE seeing nothing out of the ordinary, fine. That's what YOU'RE seeing.

That MANY people choose to put blinders on or try to justify certain problems and their causes so they can ignore or dismiss them, doesn't mean you're that different or anything.

pramjockey · #29 (**permalink**) 06-22-2007

See, CT, you always find a need to reduce your "arguments" to personal attacks and insults. Why is that?

Is it because there's no logic to what you're saying, only what you "feel" presented as some sort of incontrovertable fact?

Captain Trips · #30 (**permalink**) 06-22-2007

Now dammit pram :-)

I'm not reducing this to personal insults. The closest things you might take minor offense to are where I said:

You carry on about how ...........

and:

MANY people choose to put blinders on....

which I qualified by adding that:

..., doesn't mean you're that different or anything.

Which is to say that you're no different than MANY.

That's not meant as an insult. Though I suppose it can be taken that way being compared with "the many".

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