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Old 07-11-2007
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Re: Georgia May Execute Innocent Man

It's typical for innocent Blaques in southern states to be executed. If Blaques would leave that cesspool then this issue would go away. I cannot understand why Blaques continue to stay and allow themselves to be subjegated to the blatant prejudice and bigotry latent in Southern culture.

It's obvious that in any other region of America this man wouldn't have been given the death penalty. His conviction should be overturned at this point.
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Re: Georgia May Execute Innocent Man

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It's typical for innocent Blaques in southern states to be executed. If Blaques would leave that cesspool then this issue would go away. I cannot understand why Blaques continue to stay and allow themselves to be subjegated to the blatant prejudice and bigotry latent in Southern culture.

It's obvious that in any other region of America this man wouldn't have been given the death penalty. His conviction should be overturned at this point.
AJ, I certainly agree that Troy Davis’ conviction should be overturned.

But I don’t understand why you think Blacks should move to stop being “subjugated to the blatant prejudice and bigotry latent in Southern culture”.

The problem of discrimination has to be confronted, not escaped.

I believe Blacks are entitled to expect to receive equal treatment wherever they choose to live in the United States.

The arbitrariness of the death penalty is something that has long perplexed me. It’s not just an issue of race.

Arbitrariness

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Old 07-11-2007
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Re: Georgia May Execute Innocent Man

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I read this story today. It troubled me a lot so I thought I would post it on the forum to make others aware of it.

A man named Troy Anthony Davis is scheduled to be executed in Georgia at 7pm local time on 17 July.

Yet it appears that there is doubt of his guilt.

The Amnesty International global Urgent Action network states in its report on this case:



USA: Death penalty / Legal concern: Troy Anthony Davis (m) - Amnesty International

I am ardently opposed to the death penalty, but I believe that at the very least there should be irrefutable evidence of a person’s guilt when they are sentenced to die.

I believe that the fact that there are doubts that Troy Anthony Davis was the gunman should be enough to stop his execution.

More on the story…

Atlanta Progressive News

Troy Anthony Davis: Innocent

Finality over Fairness: The Case of Troy Davis

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Im curious .. forget the death sentence part, but why do you call him an innocent man?
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Im curious .. forget the death sentence part, but why do you call him an innocent man?
I didn’t, jotathought. Read my posts, please…I expressly say that there is a lack of evidence of either his guilt or innocence.

The point here is that he may be innocent.

Indeed, as Slon pointed out, even if the death penalty was not at play here, there is doubt about his guilt, and therefore reason to review his case.

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I didn’t, jotathought. Read my posts, please…I expressly say that there is a lack of evidence of either his guilt or innocence.

The point here is that he may be innocent.

Indeed, as Slon pointed out, even if the death penalty was not at play here, there is doubt about his guilt, and therefore reason to review his case.

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Perhaps I misunderstood the title of this thread that states he is an innocent man.
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Perhaps I misunderstood the title of this thread that states he is an innocent man.
I did try to rework the title (which I took from one of the sources I read).

It might have been more accurate to write “Georgia May Execute Man who May be Innocent”.

But from the onset I never proclaim that Troy Davis is innocent.

In my post #3 I even post a link to an article that argues his guilt.

And in my post #8 I explain that Troy Davis would probably not be eligible for representation by the Innocence Project “because there is no definite evidence of his innocence”.

The point is, a person is meant to be innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. There appears to be reasonable doubt that Troy Davis is guilty… so Georgia may execute an innocent man.

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Re: Georgia May Execute Innocent Man

Sucks to be him...
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Old 07-12-2007
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yep the kind of compassion i'd expect from people who care only of themselves. you'll keep saying that right up until it is you or one of your loved ones caught in a similar perdicament
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yep the kind of compassion i'd expect from people who care only of themselves.
Are you suggesting that it doesn't suck to be him?

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you'll keep saying that right up until it is you or one of your loved ones caught in a similar perdicament
Well, that depends on the "perdicament" [sic] doesn't it?

You have no idea what the fuck I care about, so please stop trying to come across as if you do.

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Are you suggesting that it doesn't suck to be him?



Well, that depends on the "perdicament" [sic] doesn't it?

You have no idea what the fuck I care about, so please stop trying to come across as if you do. That just makes you look silly...
yes, thats exactly what im suggesting what was your intention for asking such as stupid question? your post "sucks to be him.." is a phrase i've encountered many times by people who, after hearing one's predicament (soooo sorry for the typo earlier steve), simply shrug it off and give no more thought to it. comments like these are very telling of the person uttering them, at least to me.

so what was your intention with that post? to show you don't give a shit about people who could be put to death for a crime they might not have committed? to gain attention by postwhoring with comments everyone is clearly thinking thus making your comment unnecessary? or is it something else? if its not the latter, then i have a pretty damn good idea what you care about and my comment still stands.
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yes, thats exactly what im suggesting what was your intention for asking such as stupid question? your post "sucks to be him.." is a phrase i've encountered many times by people who, after hearing one's predicament (soooo sorry for the typo earlier steve), simply shrug it off and give no more thought to it. comments like these are very telling of the person uttering them, at least to me.

so what was your intention with that post? to show you don't give a shit about people who could be put to death for a crime they might not have committed? to gain attention by postwhoring with comments everyone is clearly thinking thus making your comment unnecessary? or is it something else? if its not the latter, then i have a pretty damn good idea what you care about and my comment still stands.

The point is that the guy's in Georgia, and I'm in California. Whatever the evidence shows, I'm not really in any position to affect change in a State that I don't live in. If there's evidence that shows doubt about his guilt, I'll go ahead and accept that the State will consider that. If they don't consider it, I'll accept that it wasn't worthy of consideration.

See, I don't spend a great deal of time worrying about things which I have no control over. It's a waste of time. You, clearly, have that kinda' time on your hands.

Oh and, by the way, I knew a guy who used to live in Kelowna. He moved to Kamloops and, by doing so, raised the collective IQ of both cities...

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As many as one in 7 of the people executed in the US have been innocent, courts aren't perfect.
To say the fucking least.

This only confirms that American courts are the worst in the whole western world. Why cant people see that its a bullshit system and that it needs to be improved?
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The obvious suggestion would be to scrap the whole court system and adopt one from another western country. Your system has proven itself to be unreliable a few too many times....to put it nicely.
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The obvious suggestion would be to scrap the whole court system and adopt one from another western country. Your system has proven itself to be unreliable a few too many times....to put it nicely.

And Denmark has given us what, exactly?

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And Denmark has given us what, exactly?

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