Dude, he'll probably do that. You know, go the 'contrition' route. Next thing you know, Vick will be working with PETA, sponsoring rallies about how cockroaches are people too (or some other such feel-good idiocy). It's vital to his career.

And, shed no crocodile tears for him. I'd happily trade places with him. I'd do his time if I knew I were coming out in a year or two to like 20 million dollars

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I think that you're hitting the nail on the head here with something yet to be discussed. I would wager, dollars to donuts, that he's fought dogs with other NFL players. But, I don't think he'll rat them out - it'll "up his street cred" in the NFL.

I agree that Vick will play football again. He's a mediocre pocket passer (at best), but who wouldn't want a de facto running back calling snaps? I think the Falcons will release him, but that someone will pick him up in a couple of years (and try to keep it on the "DL"). My money is on the Raiders.

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But that's the whole thing, as vital as it is for him i think he's just too much of an obnoxious blowhard to do it. Maybe i'm worng but he just comes accross as someone who wouldn't sell himself out for some psuedo animal terror organisation like Peta even for the sake of his career, even he wouldn't stoop that low.

You'd be willing to spend a couple years+ in the slammer for the money he has?

he probably did fight the dogs with other players (remember the 2 that laughed it off when this all first came about?) but it will do him well in the NFL like you said.

Now of course he might well be pissed off about others ratting on him that he may do the same in return for less time.

Nah he'll never play again. The state may well slap on more charges after the feds are done the league will boot him for good when they can find a loophole to do it under, maybe if the Falcons sue him they may force him to talk about the gambling/force him to admit or perjure himself.

He won't.... to the best of my knowledge, he's already plead. That precludes any deals with the DA... But, I do remember the reactions of other players. Clinton Portis said something along the lines of "who cares what he does with his dogs - they're his". I have no doubt that there are plenty of other NFL players that have been mixed up in dog-fighting.



I dunno. You raise a good point - he still has to face local charges. But still, I definitely see a team taking a shot on Vick, even after 2-3 years of not playing. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, I see the Raiders doing it, for some reason. Come back to this thread and call me Nostradamus in like 2010 I'd imagine that serving time will do nothing but make him more mobile.

Jah... I hope he doesn't schill for PETA. I'm one of the biggest animal lovers you'll ever find - I've owned more pets of more varieties than most people can conceive - but, I think PETA is really full of shit. If you ever get into what they actually think, they don't like pet owners because they feel we're "keeping slaves" (or some such nonsense). Screw them!

Nonetheless, I think Vick will do it, to "save" his career. And, I think he'll do it, wearing a shit-eating grin that we all know means his heart isn't in it. He'll do it purely on the advice of a publicist to re-start his career. Believe it. Bank on it. Vick will become the face of the Humane Society



For twenty mil? Yeah, I'd serve some time for that. I've got buddies that have done it for "free", and they tell me that the stories of prison rape are very exaggerated. I'd spend a year or two in federal prison for twenty mil. Probably get a lot of writing done - maybe even the novel I've been threatening to submit for publication

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I don't doubt there would be a few teams who would take him on. I think about 20 or so of the 32 would probably say no and the other 12 would have about 10 who either didn't need a QB/possibly part shift RB/MLB position or were too afraid to lose fans who are animal lovers. I actually do think the Raiderswould be one to take him on if they had the chance when he got out; he'd be a role model for some of their other roster filling jerks. The reason i think he'll never play is because i think the league will find some way of some sort to give the boot for good, they'll figure a way of proving he gambled somehow.

Tell me about it, in fact in some instances i'd even be okay with animals mauling humans, so long as those people worked for PETA, in fact i couldn't see anything more pleasuring than watching some disease ravaged dog (a real good old fashioned mad dawg) taking a meal or two out of their organisation, maybe infcting the rest of them with something nasty that kept them alive but made them suffer.

Possibly but that's a lot of pride to swallow...reckon he's got it in him to bite his tongue?

The name of the game is "putting fannies in the seats", and Vick will still be able to do that.
It only takes one owner (Al Davis keeps coming up) who cares more about winning than he cares about dogs, and Vick is back.

I don't think the league will press the gambling too hard, it's still better for them if Vick keeps his mouth shut and takes the rap quietly.

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Michael Vick to Enter Guilty Plea - washingtonpost.com
Since Vick has entered a plea, they can send the jury home.
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Doesn't help Vick that the judge is a dog owner...

Vick will find out his fate Dec 10.

The judge said clearly that it remains his discression as to what the time and severity will be.

I think he's gonna wind up with about at least 20 months inside, probably more.

I can't believe I am about to say this but....get this over with already!! Sentence him now, he's pled guilty, get the press conference over with, BE DONE.

It's all thats on ESPN, I'm OD'ing on this story and I actually had a dream about the man last night.

And for crying out loud, someone needs to hose down Skip Bayless before he has a heart attack on air.

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Thing is that the judge does need to decide how long to sentance him to.

Also Vick knowns he's going to jail for a while so he does need some time to get his affairs in order, its like just after a trial so he may well have to report to the FBP within just a couple weeks of the sentancing date.

Maybe the judge will let him spend his last Christmas/New Years (possibly of the decade) at home first?

It's OK, he's found Jesus

Charlotte Observer | 08/28/2007 | He says right words,<br> but goes a step too far

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

The defense and prosecution need time to prepare their sentencing memoranda, and the FBP needs time to to a proper pre-sentence investigation.

It would be depriving Vick of due process to rush it through.

Matt

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Sentencing in this case presents a real moral dilemma.
On the one hand, a year in prison for pleading guilty is probably what would be considered proper for most people, but for Vick that also amounts to costing him millions of dollars.
It also leaves him a wealthy man, because he has the money, the signing bonus, and the cash from playing for 6 years.
So after a year in the pokey, he has a comfortable life ahead of him, whether or not he ever plays football again.

The guy is an idiot, but consider that he's been told he's great since he was 13, he was treated like a god in college, handed $30 million dollars on the first day of his new job after college, and treated like the toast of Atlanta for 6 years.
Can you really be that down on him for thinking the rules don't apply to him?

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address