She is young she will kill again. She will be this generation's 'black widow.'

Or fat ass Kennedy.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

So the fact that she was abused makes it ok for her to murder someone? By that measure it would also be ok for kids who are bullied to kill their bullies. She is a grown woman. She could of, and should of, left the relationship if he was being abusive not killed him. No matter what someone else does to you the responsibility for your actions rest with you.

Here "abuse" consisted of having to wear 6" spike hells and a wig. He liked kinky sex. Not exactly a capital offense.

If you actually accept that line of thinking then you can pretty much excuse any behavior simply identifying the culprit as the suspect. At the very outset of the 'verbal abuse' she had the option of leaving and choose not to.

Greetings and Felicitations,

I did not say she was excused from the responsibility of the crime. I stated that verbal abuse could be just as devastating as physical abuse. Killing her husband was a crime and she was found guilty of that crime. She then went to a mental hospital for treatment. She has to deal with what she has done but that doesn't mean I can't sympathize with her situation because I understand them.

Each of these replies indicates a complete lack of understanding of the dynamics of an abusive relationship. If just leaving was as simple as you make it out then the millions of women in abusive relationships wouldn't be there. It is never as simple as some males want it to be. A typical scenario involves such things as: If you leave me I will hunt you down and kill you. I will kill you, your children, your family. I, as a male, cannot fully understand the impact of such lifestyles but I try. You, as males, don't seem to be even willing to try and understand what a life of abuse could do to a person. Instead you have posted platitudes and sound bites that have very little to do with reality.

Here is a suggestion for you. Spend some time volunteering at the local abused women's shelter or other service organization. Watch the lives of those really affected by such realities and then come back and talk to me about it. Of course, it never enters the mind of most people to seek experiences that might challenge their preconceptions so I can understand if you don't.


Lord Vicari

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#1. I am not a male.
#2. I have worked with these people for over 20 years.
#3. The reason they do not leave us usually related to money.
#4. This woman was involved in a Nigerian computer scam and her husband found out about it. This was a cold blooded killing and had nothing to do with abuse.
#5. The 'peers' who would not convict her were her fellow Church of Christ members who also didn't care for kinky sex.
#6. It helps to be local to understand the nature of something like this.

I was abused by numerous individuals as a child (physically, metally, verbally, and sexually) for nearly all of my childhood. I didn't have an option to leave, and in fact didn't even realize I was being abused until I was almost an adult. So I have no sympathy for people who use bad life experiences as an excuse for their wrong actions.

Greetings and Felicitations,

1. I apologize if I misunderstood your gender. I am guilty of neglecting to check before I posted but the attitude you put forth was common to postings about such things by other males.
2. I applaud your work with such victims.
3. I guess it depends on what your experience has been. The victims I have dealt with have usually talked more about threats of violence than lack of money. I will attribute it to different interpretations of the tales of victims.

That is the line of reasoning that the prosecuters used. She replied with tales of abuse including violence and degradation. Evidently, it was enought to mitigate some of the opinions of the jurors.

I was not aware that the jury was handpicked from the Church of Christ in order to weigh the jury in her favor. I would like to ask a question. If you are forced for years to engage in sex that you find offensive is this not abuse as well?

I am local. I live in Kingsport, Tennessee.

Lord Vicari

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Greetings and Felicitations,

This seems to be a common attitude that some abuse survivors have. I used to share it. Here is what I learned about it. Just because you, and I, survived and managed to make the choice to break the chain doesn't mean everyone else is capable of walking the same path. I don't excuse the actions of those who continue the chain. However, I do seek to understand that everyone can't be like me. Some people aren't strong enough. Some people get broken to the point that they can't. Some people make the conscious choice to be that way. People aren't cookie-cutter when it comes to such things. Take a justifiable pride in your ability to overcome your past but understand that everyone can't. Instead of just taking a hard-lined approach seek to look at each case with compassion.

Sometimes people make bad choices simply because they don't know any other path. The problem I have is with the blanket condemnation of everyone who doesn't live up to the standards you set.

Lord Vicari

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Its amazing how a cold blooded killer can be turned into the victim simply because she cries abuse.

I respect your position, but I'm going to have to call BS on this on - When was the last time mean words killed someone? Sure, its not a pleasant way to live, but saying being yelled at/called names is as devastating as being beaten/sexually assaulted is just rediculas.

This is nothing more than yet another example of double standard between the sexes. Ask yourself this, had it been a woman verbally abusing her husband for X number of years, would the husband be justified to shoot her? Would 60 days in prison for the husband be fair?

Everyones a victim these days, except of course the straight white christian male, who is to blame for all of the worlds problems.

I'm replying without knowing the case at all. I do have training in mental health issues though and my answer is NO, 60 days is not NEARLY enough. 60 days is not enough to treat ANYTHING she went through and it's certainly not nearly enough to help her deal with what she did.

Knowing no more than what your post describes this is a serious travesty of justice, both for her victim, and herself.

I'm a bit surprised at the number of people supporting verbal abuse as a defense for cold blooded murder.

Unfortunately I'm not THAT surprised. I do believe we all live in a society that's become ill.

Of all the political hatred and dispute I've viewed on the internet; of all the cultural differences; this sentiment, this thread is the one that makes me feel afraid my children are growing up in a doomed country.

It's ok to kill people that say what you dont like??? And the courts agree? Then this country is doomed and deserves to be.

Do you vigorously support the rights of abused husbands to murder their wives as well? Do you accept even the remotest of possibility their are women that abuse men?

Kindly show us the case of a male that was abused in a similar case where you are advocating a 6 month treatment program for his murder of his wife.

Doesn't exist does it? Is it because such a case does not exist? Or is it because you don't accept the reality?

This thread was frightening to me. If ever there was proof primitives still exist; this thread is it.

LordVicari (self-named Lord) is one scary human soul.

He just stated a case in the interest of justifying cold-blooded murder. Not self defense. The woman was not under attack or facing physical threat. She was not an indentured servant in a 3rd world country. There is no evidence her life was endangered if she'd just left and taken her kids. He was shot in the BACK as he SLEPT.

This country is dive-bombing for hell when such a defense can actually work AND be defended by common citizens..