You mean legions of Americans are too fat and lazy to do their own dirty work so they import wage slaves to do it for them?

Ignoring the simple fact that Meztisos and Irish are different groups of people why should we refer to illegals as anything else especially when they send a fortune of illegally obtained money back to their own homelands?

BBC NEWS | Business | Migrant workers aid growth at home

Oh so they are improving the lives of their children by sending billions a year back to Latin America?

BBC NEWS | Business | L America migrant money tops aid

$23bn went to Mexico alone!

Often times, yes. Other times, it is because American businesses cannot pay a decent enough wage to live off of, so the only people who will take that job are illegals who are desperate.


Who do you think they're sending the money to other than family members? And yes, the Irish and Hispanics are different people, but their situations and the reactions to them are very similar.

BTW, they are improving the lives of their children by allowing them to be born in a great country, a chance I was given and I assume you were given, one that many Americans don't appreciate, and anyone who is willing to risk their lives and live in destitution for years and years just to give their future kids that chance is American enough for me.

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An interesting map for our white supremacists. Now you know where to move to.

I highly doubt the big corporations are suffering so badly that they cannot afford to pay a fair wage for services.

I do not care who receives the money but I am addressing the claim that these 'loyal' people merely want to create a better lives for themselves; quite laughable considering they are sending the money out of the nation in which they live...

So acknowledging the difference you see the folly in assuming that because the Irish successfully assimilated that Meztiso's will as well?

So much for America being a nation of laws. There is nothing 'American' about breaking the law to better your own position in life...er....hold on the way America is today maybe I am wrong afterall.

Let me guess; anyone who does not agree with your views on 'diversity' is a white 'supremacist' correct? Ooops never mind; you appear to be from the EU! Over there anyone right of Lenin is considered a 'white supremacist' or a fascist never mind my question....

Well you guessed wrong. I dont mind voluntary segregation, I dont think that is fascist. But things like discrimination at the workplace are intolerable.

Nice map by the way; I would likely feel most at home with Slavs so the map is useless to me for the most part. I have found these folks to be largely strong and noble; a stark contrast to most EU denizens I have encountered up to now.

Yet they don't.

I'd say that sounds like them sacrificing their own well-being to help out their family members, and I can't blame them. Again, when a livable wage is impossible in one's home country, can you blame these people for breaking a law when it must seem like a life-or-death option? I don't. I blame the situations and the policies that forced them to make that choice. And even if they never contribute a dime to our economy from their wages, they still make an impact and help out by performing a service.


Why can't they? And it's not like its just the Irish. Just because someone isn't white, they can't live the American dream?


Really? Some of the most poignant moments in American history have been when people banded together to break unjust laws in order to better their lot in life. (Boston Tea Party, the entire fucking Civil Rights movement, etc.)

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"Old Man Antonio smiles 'You've learned now that in order to know and walk you have to ask questions.' He coughs and lights another cigarette and out of his mouth come these words that fall like seeds on the ground."

Why would they when they do not have too? More money into the coffers of the bosses is always a welcome site at any corporation.

Actually I blame the U.S. government for not sending 100,000+ troops to guard the southern border from this foreign invasion.

Nice dodge; answering a question with a question.

Note the term 'unjust laws.' America does not owe people from Mexico jobs, living space or a free pass across the border. There is no 'unjust law' to be broken because Mexicans are not entitled by right to live and work in the U.S.

Which is what created this situation in the first place...

You really think that's the answer? Where do you get the idea that Hispanic people want to "take over" the US? As one Vietnam vet once told me; "What we never realized is that the Vietnamese people didn't care which side won. They just wanted their bowl of rice." Meaning, the people of the country had no interest in the national politics of the war, they just wanted to be able to live comfortably, just as any other human. I think the same can be applied to Hispanic immigrants. They have no collaborative agenda to take over the US, they just see it as a place where they can better their lot.

Clever, huh? But I really would like to know what makes Hispanic people inherently inferior and incapable of achieving like every other race that has immigrated to the US in the past?

No, but as I was saying before, Mexicans were entitled by right to their own land to live off of and farm. The policies of the US government took that away from them. So based off of that information, I would say that the US does owe Mexicans something, the least of which would be an apology. Based off of that information, I would say that the current laws regarding immigration are unjust. I'm sure that there were many British people who thought that the Stamp Act was perfectly fair. It just depends on what side of the issue you're on whether you see the law as unjust or not.

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"Old Man Antonio smiles 'You've learned now that in order to know and walk you have to ask questions.' He coughs and lights another cigarette and out of his mouth come these words that fall like seeds on the ground."

The American refusal to enforce their laws caused this mess...

Millions of illegals pouring over the border without permission to take a piece of the American financial pie is not an invasion?

Could you explain 'reconquista' to the forum?

So you still decline to answer my question but opt to ask more questions; well maybe the following article will explain some things. Yes, it is from Jared Taylor but he quotes third party sources including government statistics.

VDARE.com: 01/10/07 - Do We Need More Hispanics?

So whitey is to blame for the failure of Mexico?

Assuming your claims were correct; an apology is a far cry from permitting an invasion. Second, your opinion of immigration law is based on what? Immigration laws are suppose to be geared toward benefiting the nation enacting them not potential wannabe immigrants.

I have to go to work after this, so I will make this my last response.

You obviously weren't listening.


No, seeing as though the majority do stay and become a part of that pie.

Gladly. First a term for the Spanish's reconquest of Moorish Iberia, the term resurfaced in the 1970's when Chicano Nationalists wanted the lands of the Southwest back for Mexico. (Considering the way it was taken, they sort of have a point) Currently used by the Mexica movement (A small organization based in Los Angeles with a small membership and no affiliation to any other group) as a term describing the assimilation of all the countries of North and Central America into one super-country named Anahuac. Overall, about as ridiculous as saying that the US should put 100,000 troops on the US/Mexico border, but with a little historical backing, as the land does historically belong to indigenous peoples, but we won't get into that argument. Pointing out the lunacy of a radical group does not say anything about the ethnicity that the members of that group belong to or purport to represent, just as you wouldn't want statements from the KKK being applied to all white people.

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So you still decline to answer my question but opt to ask more questions; well maybe the following article will explain some things. Yes, it is from Jared Taylor but he quotes third party sources including government statistics.

VDARE.com: 01/10/07 - Do We Need More Hispanics?
Me and the Hispanics were just talking about how paranoid you are. I stated earlier that cheap labor is necessary in a capitalist system, especially in one where major corporations like Wal-Mart force companies to slash prices and pay their workers below living wages. Who is going to work those jobs other than immigrants? White people? Because I don't see white people rushing out to the tomato fields to pick.

Anyway, I don't want there to be anger between us. Your opinion is your opinion and it is just as valid as my own. That being said, thank you for the discourse and I hope you have a wonderful day. Peace, love and cookies.

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"Old Man Antonio smiles 'You've learned now that in order to know and walk you have to ask questions.' He coughs and lights another cigarette and out of his mouth come these words that fall like seeds on the ground."

My comment about the troops is appropriate since an invasion is taking place and is 'Mexica Movement' alone in this advocacy of 'reconquista?' Are there other groups that advocate such a thing?

So now you resort to unprovoked insults? Is your position so weak that you have to resort to personal attacks to survive a debate?

Why would any "White person" work for a fraction of minimum wage when they have legal status to work?

You seem to be very angry already; accusing me of paranoia is hardly a gesture of goodwill.

Ahhh so you did not read it but decided that it was 'hate?' Obviously you did not read it because it addresses the issue of generational progression of such 'Hispanic' migrants. Interesting though huh? It has nothing to do with 'race' even though the divides are along racial lines? Interesting...

Tell me what makes it "hate?" Were there calls for genocide. racial slurs or rude stereotypes being promoted in the article?

Shouldn't have checked on my way out the door...

So far as I saw, there is no major group advocating the reconquista as I defined it.

I thought that was an obvious joke, but if you really believed that me and all Hispanic people got together to talk about your paranoia, I'm sorry.

Exactly. They wouldn't. And if there were no illegal immigrants to perform those jobs, employers would be forced to pay real wages, resulting in many products Americans couldn't afford. This isn't advocating the current system, just saying that cheap labor is necessary to keep this American machine going.

Again, it was a joke. Sorry. And I have no anger, just a quest for Truth.

Possibly hate was the wrong word. Ignorance better? Again, it lists problems of socioeconomic status, not race. Yes, it's along racial lines because most immigrants are non-white. Anyway, I would take more time to respond to this but I do have to get to work. Sorry if i offended you. Vale.

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"Old Man Antonio smiles 'You've learned now that in order to know and walk you have to ask questions.' He coughs and lights another cigarette and out of his mouth come these words that fall like seeds on the ground."

Agreed...

Define 'major.'

I figured that part was said jokingly but even an insult wrapped in a joke is still an insult.

You have an interesting system of economics...