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View Poll Results: What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?
Castration plus mandatory 25 year sentence and then death for a second offense. 1 3.70%
Castration plus mandatory 25 year sentence and then life for a second offense. 2 7.41%
Just a mandatory 25 year sentence for the first offense and death the second offense. 2 7.41%
Just a mandatory 25 year sentence for the first offense and life in prison the second offense. 4 14.81%
Castration plus the death penalty 1 3.70%
Castration plus life in prison 1 3.70%
Just the death penalty. 4 14.81%
Just life in prison 4 14.81%
These people are sick they should be cured while they are incarcerated and then released. 3 11.11%
No more than what state law allows even if it is little or not time behind bars 0 0%
other 5 18.52%
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What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?


When I say child molester/rapist I am not talking about some 18 or 19 year old guy who has sex with his 17 year old girlfriend.In my opinion law against sexual relations with minors is supposed to protect little children from adults not so some dickhead who doesn't like his 17 year old daughter's 18 or 19 year old boyfriend can make a mockery or such laws.
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Re: What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

There's no simple answer for this. Sorry I can't answer this poll.
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Re: What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

Well, theres no simple answers in Europe on anything.

Over here though the answer's pretty clear, anything up from decades in prison is fine in my book.
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Re: What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

Well, in CA, it's apparently customary for online predators to get 'no contest' pleas. IMO, that's utterly disgraceful.

I was watching MSNBC's 'To Catch A Predator' and of the piles of guys getting caught, almost all of them got offered and accepted 'no contest' pleas to a charge of an attempted lewd act on a minor.

Given the damning video evidence of being busted at the scene, online chat evidence, defendants' oral admissions on the show, an entire globe of witnesses to the same, and there being no actual minor involved, there is absolutely no reason 'no contest' pleas should ever be offered to such perverts.

Such pleas are special pleas that are favourable to defendants and should only be offered and accepted by a judge in special circumstances. Although a conviction is recorded, the defendant doesn't admit guilt to the crime and the plea--and often the conviction--cannot be used in certain legal proceedings and scenarios. They usually are only offered in tough cases where both parties can agree to such a compromised outcome, or when certain defendants in good faith have absolutely too little or no recollection of the criminal acts (due to extreme intoxication for example) and the defendants would be perjuring themselves if they personally agreed with the facts supporting the entry of conviction by their own consenting plea.

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Re: What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

The question is too vague. This is why laws are written in complicated way - to prevent knee-jerk reactions, and to provide for the complexities of involved situations.

Oh, and does the OP understand that one can rape even post-castration? What happens to those that are later proven to be innocent? Finally, what about female sex offenders?
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There's no simple answer for this. Sorry I can't answer this poll.
I did put a "other"option in the poll.How is there not a simple answer?An adult male rapes/molest a young child,how should the justice system deal with him?
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Well, in CA, it's apparently customary for online predators to get 'no contest' pleas. IMO, that's utterly disgraceful.

I was watching MSNBC's 'To Catch A Predator' and of the piles of guys getting caught, almost all of them got offered and accepted 'no contest' pleas to a charge of an attempted lewd act on a minor.

Given the damning video evidence of being busted at the scene, online chat evidence, defendants' oral admissions on the show, an entire globe of witnesses to the same, and there being no actual minor involved, there is absolutely no reason 'no contest' pleas should ever be offered to such perverts.

Such pleas are special pleas that are favourable to defendants and should only be offered and accepted by a judge in special circumstances. Although a conviction is recorded, the defendant doesn't admit guilt to the crime and the plea--and often the conviction--cannot be used in certain legal proceedings and scenarios. They usually are only offered in tough cases where both parties can agree to such a compromised outcome, or when certain defendants in good faith have absolutely too little or no recollection of the criminal acts (due to extreme intoxication for example) and the defendants would be perjuring themselves if they personally agreed with the facts supporting the entry of conviction by their own consenting plea.
And I'm going to add to the above that at the end of the show almost all of them not only got 'no contest' pleas but also only received sentences of 1-2 days in prison plus short probation. That's utterly disgraceful. As bad as sexually abusing children is treating it as a joke in the criminal system.

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Well, theres no simple answers in Europe on anything.

Over here though the answer's pretty clear, anything up from decades in prison is fine in my book.
There is probably no simple answer in the US either as State law usually varies from one State to the other.

I voted "other". None of the option presented is acceptable - And each one of them needs a justification.

For instance : why 25 years prison (why not 30 ...)

I also think that each case of child molester is different, so that each case will be penalised differently. What kind of abuse are you talking about ? Did the child die following these abuses ? Which were the circumstances ? Etc.

So, no sorry. No simple answer.

The only thing : no death penalty, since I am against anyway, and no castration - That's barbaric.
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Re: What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

Btw what good is castration if you're gonna kill him anyway?

As I said before there's no single option. Some people need treatment, others need punishing, and others need to be kept off the street for the protection of the people.
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Some people need treatment, others need punishing, and others need to be kept off the street for the protection of the people.
They don't need treatment if you're going to stick a needle in their arm.

I'm pretty hardcore on this one. Molest a child, and we kill you. Period. Society, as a whole, doesn't need you wasting perfectly good oxygen...
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I'm mixed about the death penalty. Maybe such a powerful tool does not belong in the hands of governements. It certainly shouldn't be used with just 1 conviction, considering the person could be innocent.
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I'm mixed about the death penalty. Maybe such a powerful tool does not belong in the hands of governements. It certainly shouldn't be used with just 1 conviction, considering the person could be innocent.
Bu golly, you're right. We should let them get a second conviction before we kill them...

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If you have only 1 conviction you're not necessarily a criminal. Killing average citizens is not my idea of justice.
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If you have only 1 conviction you're not necessarily a criminal.
What??

Um, if you have a conviction, you are a criminal. What else are people convicted for? Pleasant and socially acceptable behavior? No, they're convicted for criminal behavior...

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What's "average" about someone who molests a child?


Perhaps standards are different in the Netherlands, and sex with children is perfectly acceptable. I can assure you that it's not acceptable here...
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