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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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I can think if about 56,352,825,248 other things that need our attention before friggin' pedophiles. Why people like spending so much time focusing on this terrible crime, when there are other equally terrible crimes and many more worse crimes is beyond me.
Because like those "56,352,825,248 other things" that happen child molestation/rape does happens and it has to be addressed when it does happen or you will have things like the pedophile sympathizer rat judge Edward Cashman in Vermont who gave a child molester/rapist only 60 days in jail and then after being tarred and feathered in conservative radio did he switch it to a 3-10 year sentence,which is still a joke.


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For example, why no mention of castration for adult rape, which is just as sick?
I support that too,however you got to do things one step at a time.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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I beg to differ. Never before have I seen child molestation and pedophiles top the news like we see today.
Yes indeedy. One might think pedophiles just woke up in the eighties and realized their urges.

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So, our children will be safe if we totally crack down on child molestation? Child molestation is the only danger children face?
Well, after we protect them from pedophiles we'll train them to dodge bullets, something my parents never taught me to do.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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Because like those "56,352,825,248 other things" that happen child molestation/rape does happens and it has to be addressed when it does happen or you will have things like the pedophile sympathizer rat judge Edward Cashman in Vermont who gave a child molester/rapist only 60 days in jail and then after being tarred and feathered in conservative radio did he switch it to a 3-10 year sentence,which is still a joke.
The problem is, it just seems to me that child molestation is currently in the 'spot light' and is the number one crime to hate at the moment. The negative to this is that I think it may divert attention away from other crimes that are just as terrible.

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I support that too,however you got to do things one step at a time.
LOL, glad you're consistent.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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I'd venture to say that a lot of people might interpret such a thing as "cruel and unusual" (chemical 'castration'). But, if it were offered as a voluntary option (and not a punishment) for sentencing considerations or something, you might render the constitutionality a moot point.
It would never happen in the U.S. and shouldn't, it would set a precedent of allowing Middle Eastern style laws, if this was acceptable then why not chop off a man's hand for stealing?

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I seem to recall that this has been implemented in some sort of flagship basis before (I could be wrong) with results that weren't spectacular. I think it had something to do with making male sexual predators unable to physically achieve arousal but not necessarily less interested in their 'interaction' with children.
Right the theory would be they could no longer rape anyone but then why not apply to all sex offender, what about people who expose themselves in public? What about women? Should they have forced circumcisions if they fall foul of sexual battery laws?
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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Dude... you sound like some uber-hippie liberal...
"Hmmm... lets see. I know he hates liberals. ...

...I know, lets say he's SOUNDING like a liberal."


Ridiculous :-)

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It's everyone's fault man. No one is really responsible but at the same time everyone is responsible. It takes a village to raise children!
Everyone IS responsible.

Responsible for allowing these crimes to OCCUR.

By our VOTES.

By our inACTION.

By our apathy and indifference.

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Screw that. I don't commit crimes against children and I don't have any children.
So what ?

You're certainly doing nothing to put a STOP to it.

Why WOULD you ? You don't have kids.

Let me guess. You wouldn't change your tune if you HAD them ?

Easy to say from that perspective.

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What happens to other people's children is certainly not my fault, and I refuse to accept the implicit blame here for anything.
Accept it. Don't accept it. Part of the blame falls on you as well as the rest of us. Inaction, apathy and indifference.

In otherwords, you don't give a shit that these things happen.

In other words you DO implicitly condone them.

Whether you accept the blame or not doesn't matter. It's EVERYONES fault.

Uh oh. There I go sounding like an "uber-hippie liberal" again

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Blame the people who commit crimes for the crimes - not this left-wing claptrap about everyone creating criminals or whatever.
No, not everyone creating criminals or whatever.

Everyone accepting letting these dangerous freaks out to molest and murder more of our kids.

No "left-wing claptrap."
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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The problem is, it just seems to me that child molestation is currently in the 'spot light' and is the number one crime to hate at the moment.
Child molestation/rape is getting the attention now because it is a crime that is not really treated seriously in the justice system.Which is why states are trying to pass Jessica's law or some form of it so that some pedophile doesn't get a slap on the wrist because he is too short or because some rat judge feels sorry for the pedophile instead of the victim.


Judge Says Convicted Child Molester Too Short For Prison

Vermont judge imposes 3-10 year sentence for sex offender - Boston.com
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The negative to this is that I think it may divert attention away from other crimes that are just as terrible.
No it won't.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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It would never happen in the U.S. and shouldn't, it would set a precedent of allowing Middle Eastern style laws, if this was acceptable then why not chop off a man's hand for stealing?



Right the theory would be they could no longer rape anyone but then why not apply to all sex offender, what about people who expose themselves in public? What about women? Should they have forced circumcisions if they fall foul of sexual battery laws?
I'm in agreement with you. Forcibly inhibiting the bodily functions of a convicted criminal is a rather macabre precedent. Even coercions into "voluntary" complicity is rather worrisome.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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"Hmmm... lets see. I know he hates liberals. ...

...I know, lets say he's SOUNDING like a liberal."


Ridiculous :-)



Everyone IS responsible.

Responsible for allowing these crimes to OCCUR.

By our VOTES.

By our inACTION.

By our apathy and indifference.



So what ?

You're certainly doing nothing to put a STOP to it.

Why WOULD you ? You don't have kids.

Let me guess. You wouldn't change your tune if you HAD them ?

Easy to say from that perspective.



Accept it. Don't accept it. Part of the blame falls on you as well as the rest of us. Inaction, apathy and indifference.

In otherwords, you don't give a shit that these things happen.

In other words you DO implicitly condone them.

Whether you accept the blame or not doesn't matter. It's EVERYONES fault.

Uh oh. There I go sounding like an "uber-hippie liberal" again



No, not everyone creating criminals or whatever.

Everyone accepting letting these dangerous freaks out to molest and murder more of our kids.

No "left-wing claptrap."
Why should I listen to someone who is responsible for the atrocity committed on 9/11/2001?

You elected the government that allowed it to happen. You weren't out campaigning for security overhauls. You did nothing to stop it. Whether you accept the blame or not doesn't matter. It's your fault those towers were blown up.

(Oh, also, you killed Jesus.)



I'll accept my responsibility for pedophiles in society when you cop to your active roll in terrorist actions against the US.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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I'm in agreement with you. Forcibly inhibiting the bodily functions of a convicted criminal is a rather macabre precedent. Even coercions into "voluntary" complicity is rather worrisome.
Yup, definately, and because there would never be outrage in the public to question such voluntary procedures it will quietly go unnoticd until some guy who's been castrated and apparently rehabilitated goes and kidnaps a kid and molests him or her and uses a strap on or something. Castration as a practise of law is preposterous.
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Yup, definately, and because there would never be outrage in the public to question such voluntary procedures it will quietly go unnoticd until some guy who's been castrated and apparently rehabilitated goes and kidnaps a kid and molests him or her and uses a strap on or something. Castration as a practise of law is preposterous.
Yeah... could open the door for other sorts of 'treatments' for disorders. Why not simply sterilize people commit sex crimes. If something in their DNA makeup makes them more likely to do this, wouldn't we be doing society a service? And, perhaps this could be applied to any predatory crime. Or violent crime. Or white collar crime. Or societal malcontents in general.

Of course, this is a "slippery slope" argument, of which I'm generally not fond, but the precedent set (if upheld by the courts) would be dangerous in such a fashion - physically altering people for the good of the state.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

And even with itin effect how is this any more likely to stop them from kidnapping children and then do something more abhorrant to them?

Jail sentances may be old fashioned but they generally are a good solution for criminals.
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

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Why should I listen to someone who is responsible for the atrocity committed on 9/11/2001?

You elected the government that allowed it to happen. You weren't out campaigning for security overhauls. You did nothing to stop it. Whether you accept the blame or not doesn't matter. It's your fault those towers were blown up.

(Oh, also, you killed Jesus.)



I'll accept my responsibility for pedophiles in society when you cop to your active roll in terrorist actions against the US.
That's a good try :-)

But I did NOT "elect the govt. that allowed it to happen".

I WASN'T "out campaigning for security overhauls." because I was completely ignorant that we NEEDED them.

I know, ignorance is no excuse but I can't know EVERYTHING.

I played no part in killiing jesus LOL He was done for before I was a twinkle in some norwegians eye about 2000 years ago. Some norwegian and about .. what ? thousands of other unknowns :-)
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Re: Chemical Castration for Pedophiles. . .

Hey CT, you wanna know the irony of this all? When it comes to punishments like this and basical capital punishment like we support you know who in the international community supports it and allows it remain a non "crime against humanity" catergory available to governments?
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Hey CT, you wanna know the irony of this all? When it comes to punishments like this and basical capital punishment like we support you know who in the international community supports it and allows it remain a non "crime against humanity" catergory available to governments?
Who ?
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That's a good try :-)

But I did NOT "elect the govt. that allowed it to happen".

I WASN'T "out campaigning for security overhauls." because I was completely ignorant that we NEEDED them.

I know, ignorance is no excuse but I can't know EVERYTHING.

I played no part in killiing jesus LOL He was done for before I was a twinkle in some norwegians eye about 2000 years ago. Some norwegian and about .. what ? thousands of other unknowns :-)
But, I thought that any bad thing that happens in a society is the fault of everyone who wasn't dedicating himself to stopping it. It seems as if you're saying that this is not the case and that someone such as me, who is unaware that Joe Q Pervert is being released from jail and planning to commit a crime, is not responsible for that crime.

Phew...
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