Right. The point of the criminal justice system being to provide for public safety while not abridging anyone's rights. Seems reasonable enough to me.

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The Iranians, the Saudi's, Kuwaities etc etc.

You know who actually legalises things like child marriages, child sex, child trafficking, slavery and oppression of women?

The Iranians, Saudi's, Kuwait, Yemen, the UAE and co...kind of a counter-productive cycle isn't it?

Except NOW that you're fully aware of how we let these rotten excuses for humans out among us and our kids, you ARE.

Unless you at least TRY to do what you can to discourage the practice.

You can thank a 7nth century interpretation of religion for this.

Mankind does MANY strange things to justify their sexual perversions/proclivities. Using RELIGION is nothing new.

Hell, we have homosexuals trying it on for size.

"God made me this way, so it's Gods WILL. We should be ALLOWED to "get married" and seen as exactly the same thing as a male and a female."

It only fits well in THEIR minds

There was a person in Iran who was executed for filing or asking for divorce or adultery or something silly like that in Iran this year i think...she had been married 18 years and yet this is her punishment. Wanna guess how old she was when she died?

Oh, I know. You read about the nastiness of this religion towards its own practitioners almost daily.

Islam has to go through it's reformation the way christianity did.

It will be (IS, as we're seeing) slow, painful and bloody just as christianities was.

Nasty stuff.

Gives us cases like this:

FOXNews.com - Saudi Arabia Stands By Its Arrest of An American Woman in Starbucks - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

A male and a female innocently meeting for business can't even go on in these societies.

Sickening.

That's an open-ended, blank check. You can always make the argument that someone could be doing more. You're implementing a moralistic good Samaritan game when the blame for deviant and criminal actions is most aptly placed squarely on the deviants and criminals. I'm aware that people litter in my neighborhood but don't have time to walk around with one of those sticks picking it up. By your logic, I'm responsible for the litter, in spite of the fact that I don't litter myself.

I don't buy that. It's too socialistic for my taste. People are responsible for their own actions and taking care of their own. I don't expect society to provide for me or any children that I have - I expect to do it myself. Similarly, I don't hold society in general or other people responsible for my protection or well being. If I want my yard litter free, I'll remove litter from it, rather than tell everyone who will listen that they're at fault for my dirty yard whether they've ever visited my neighborhood and littered or not.

And, by the way, I certainly don't condone light sentencing for predators and I wish only the best for children (or people in general). But the notion that I'm responsible for anyone's children is absurd. Society isn't collectively responsible for children - the people who opt to have children are responsible for them. If I wanted that responsibility at this particular time, I'd have a kid. If you're pushing village to raise kids, I want no part of that village, whether it's Hillary's socialist dream or yours.

(that last part is me being a smartass - I don't really think either one of you is a socialist, per se)

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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But isn't their advocating stuff like this a good example of why its no a good idea?

This girl died at the age of 23, married for 18 years.

Hardly worthwhile Iran voting in favor or corporal pubishment laws and other countries doing the same so that they can easier legalise the proccess of such acts lawfully is there?

Calling for laws like this makesit altogether easier for sex offenders.

You better get picking your damn mess up man !

Wassamattawitchoo ?



Well, people get what they're willing to accept.

Would you take action if someone regularly tossed their pet dogs feces onto your property ?

Or does:

If I want my yard litter free, I'll remove litter from it, rather than tell everyone who will listen that they're at fault for my dirty yard whether they've ever visited my neighborhood and littered or not.

Apply in this case too ?

While I agree that the people who opt to have children are responsible for them. society is ALSO responsible for them.

Notice that our culture and society doesn't encourage or promote hurting kids. Doesn't encourage or promote selling them pornography. Doesn't encourage or promote selling them drug paraphernalia.

Hell, we have a public school system for our kids.

Yes, a very shitty one.

Largely a JOKE today.

But that's another aspect that speaks about our society.

How a society protects, teaches and handles its children is a very good measure of that societies overall health.

Not sure the cultural comparison fits well.

We don't allow people that age to legally enter into sexually active relationships here in America.

I'm talking about a one strike law for sex offenses against children not corporal punishment. Unless their acts were particularly offensive like Joseph Duncan or John Wayne Gacy. You could give these kinds of people to the surviving family members as far as I'm concerned.

But you do advocate this sort of chemical castration no? Ir do you think its something to be looked at?

Not sure whether it would constitute corporal punishment but i don't think its a good idea at all.

Of course. But I won't "take action" if someone is tossing it onto your property, nor will I consider myself responsible for the mess.

Setting the bar pretty high there, huh? We also don't condone the murdering of children, but that hardly makes me responsible for anything besides not murdering them or selling them cigarettes or whatever. And, the way I see it, I'm already relieved of plenty of my income in order to support public schools and other things that are of no particular benefit to my situation. The way I see it, that's more than I owe "our children" already.

Public schooling, like the military, police, and fire department, is a socialist practice. You're using examples of existing socialist practices to suggest that you're not arguing for socialist practices?

If you want. That sounds kinda mushy to me, but to each his own.

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Its more horrific to a child basically for the fact that a child is unable to defend him or herself like say an adult might be able to.

I don't believe in hate crimes laws and maybe punishing folks for crimes against children more so than adults may lead to the philosophical argument of not having equal justice under law but then the alternative suddenly becomes "how to prevent" it.

Then you end up with ridiculous proposals of sex offenders not being allowed to open their front door come haloween because a kid may enter their premises....

So what's the solution?

No, as I said in the opening post:

* Sounds like a conversation that needs to REALLY occur here in America NO ?

It seems we're not terribly interested in keeping our kids safe from creeps like Joseph Duncan and .. many many others.

What does that say about us ? *

Regarding the following statement from the article:

...The center-left candidate for premier, Walter Veltroni, also commented on the case days ago, calling for an "iron fist" and harsher penalties in the face of an "inhuman crime."

I'm arguing to make more of us get aware and ACTIVE in putting these nasty perverts away forever so they cannot harm anymore kids.

They're arguing chemical castration in Italy. We're arguing (those of us aware and interested) one strike laws.

Different solutions to the same problem.

Of course I'M for puttiing a bullet through their brain pans and being done with it. That's not going to happen though. Lock them up for good if they can't control themselves.

They're dangerous.

Okay, thanks for clarifying your position, i couldn't really figure it out tbh, but i don't think anyone would ever question that you've whether you've done your bit to raise awareness/alarm over this issue.