Well, police officers are "not the law" either - they're just part of an agency tasked with enforcing it. So, I suppose that your argument would read the same regardless of who was telling Horn to do what. By God, he appointed himself in charge of the situation, evaluated the legality of his own actions, carried out his sentence, and this is all okay because Horn is a law enforcement expert.

How can you use a civilian's presumed knowledge of the law as legal justification and then turn around and blithely dismiss a 911 dispatcher who, unlike Horn, at least has some knowledge of these things?

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-Thomas Jefferson

Horn like many of us would have known he did have the right to do what he did!

Even bere wasn't aware of our statutes on this but right from day one every news agency that covered this explained that Horn did have some good legal standing here.

I didn't say he was a law enforcement expert at all btw.

Not unless I had to in order to survive, which he didnt. I might "feel" like killing them though, but I wouldnt!

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Oh...i thought you may well have been the sort of person to have actually done it!!

Wrong.

He wasn't "doling out justice", he was acting within his rights as a citizen. I am sorry if you do not understand the distinction.

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Hardly.

Horn knew the law, and knew his rights. What a dispatcher chooses to tell him is irrelevant.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Many Texans are aware of the law and act accordingly. Breaking into a home in Texas is a very risky undertaking.

Horn did nothing illegal. You must accept that. It may not be legal where YOU are, but it is 100% legal HERE.

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Right - they were criminals. I've never suggested anything to the contrary. Get that part straight in your mind.

Criminals who were no threat to any person at the time Horn carried out his pre-meditated shooting.

Horn killed them over some petty amount of property. Deliberately, with with prior intent.

Texas doesn't have the death penalty for burglary. But Joe Horn does.

Judge ,Jury and Executioner Horn decided that burglary of an unoccupied house merits death, and he was recorded declaring his intent to kill them both before he went outside to confront them.

Matt

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Here we agree - there was absolutely nothing "just" about Joe Horn's premeditated killing of these two burglars.

Matt

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Which is perfectly legal under Texas law! He did nothing illegal.

Legal and just are two different concepts which seems to be Matt's point. But, please, Matt, correct me if I am wrong.

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Absolutely, Si Modo.

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This is where we disagree. I see nothing wrong with using deadly force to protect property.

That property represents a significant portion of someone's life. That is time and money he wont get back. It may also represent irreplaceable property. Then there is the long-term impact of feeling violated and the added costs of increased insurance premiums, and the lost time spent in replacing the items.

If a criminal does not feel his life is worth my property, then why is he risking his life to take it?

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True - he did nothing unlawful.

Which does not mean he did nothing wrong.

Matt

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We disagree. I feel it was quite just.

So do the people of the State of Texas

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