Dude.


There is no country called Columbia.

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I noticed you spell it ColOmbia firsttime with the capital "o" so i've intentionally been spelling Columbia ever since. It was my (uniintentional) error the first time but ever since i've meant it.

Traveler, are you a native Texan?

I guess, its always been my family's home state as long as i've been alive, why?

Don't they make weapons that don't kill people? I have virtually no experience with weapons so this isn't really a rhetorical question. Does there exist some kind of gun that just stuns and immobilizes people rather than killing them? If there does, I think it would be reasonable for someone to do what Horn did with one of these weapons, rather than a shotgun.

I guess why question is: Can anyone provide me with a link to some kind of weapon that could perform basically the same function as a gun without killing people?

p.s. If a stun-gun could get the job done under similar circumstances, just say so. I won't need a link in that case.

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Well a taser can pretty much knock someone out i guess, but it doesn't do what you need in a gun.

The fact that these burglars (and they were more than just that in their total criminal record from what I heard) were in the country at all is disgraceful. One of the men shot was even earlier deported (which even amazes me given how many hoodlums are just released) and he came right back. The open border and the not even half-assed immigration code enforcement on deporting criminal aliens is utterly infuriating to me. It's well overdue to get a real grip on it.

IMO, there is much to be discussed about what happened here, the full scope of the laws, the policies, the wrongs sought to be remedied versus overkill (pardon the pun) and/or unintended consequences, etc, but these guys pose the worst 'test cases' that often cloud discourse and/or cause impassioned endorsements without full examinations of these matters.

As for the 911 tapes, I think they seriously hurt Horn's arguments for justification both in the applicable laws and the larger policy questions. Had he just stayed quiet, he could have much easier had doubts resolved in his favour.

I was just curious as to why you'd defend what most of the world would consider a cold-blooded, back-shooting murderer. The Texas I grew up in would never have supported a back-shooter unless he had been beaten to near death and that was his last alternative. I'm old and values change. I'm glad I left before people like Mr. Horn were allowed to cloud the gene pool.

I only lived in Texas for about five years. I also visited quite often, since my parents lived there for a long time after I left. I never met anyone who would support these actions, either.

I guess it all depends on the company you keep, though.

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Texas is also pretty huge.

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Firstly i'm glad you grew up in Texas (where abouts, if you don't mind saying) and its a shame you left, i'm sure you'd have better and more sensible/practical political views had you hung around.

Obviously when you leave the state you are never as well off, but its your own choice i guess.

Now i have to clarify that even though i may defend Hony's actions, its more his right to do so under the law that is more of an issue.

I don't see how it is that "shooting someone in the back" is the way you define this whole mess, its not the way we see it. I think its a lot more complicated and obviously its not "old wild west" like the way Wallaroo may have seen in films either.

You may think values have changed depending on how old you are and how long ago you moved but you are right, about a half century or so andfurther back someone may well have used rope to sort out this mess, i'm sorry he fact we don't do that too much these days doesn't meet up to your standards.

But for what its worth, a huge majority of Texans not only support Horny but also the law itself, maybe if you were still living in the south rather than out west you may well have thought so to.

This must be the best alternative to a firearm.

One of its non-lethal projectiles.

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A small town in West Texas. We visited Lubbock, a day's drive, to be with kin on a regular basis. I would never condone a back-shooter then or now, regardless of legislative interpretations. Nor would a majority of my family still living in Texas. That's white trash mentality. If they had been facing him and he had kept his mouth shut, I'd go with the state law. I hope the feds step in, but he'll probably walk and be a hero in his perceived world.

Where do you get this "hero" status from? we all respect his right to do what he chooses within the boundries of the law.

Btw what do you mean "If they had been facing him and he had kept his mouth shut i'd go with state law"? If who had been facing who?

Btw it sounds like you werefrom a nice town, its a shame you left.