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Old 03-05-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Well like you said whether he valued property or life more, i think even it wasn't down to neccessity but choice, the choice does lay with the person who is holding the gun and aiming at the burglar no Pram? Its his choice at the end of the day, and what is worth more to him, i.e. where his priorities lie, which he is allowed to do within the boundries of the law.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Also its funn that you ask where the line should be drawn; the state will now probably move to expand the law even further now. Vehicular protection is meant to be covered too apparently.
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Well like you said whether he valued property or life more, i think even it wasn't down to neccessity but choice, the choice does lay with the person who is holding the gun and aiming at the burglar no Pram? Its his choice at the end of the day, and what is worth more to him, i.e. where his priorities lie, which he is allowed to do within the boundries of the law.
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Except, of course, we live in a society that gets to ultimately determine the consequences for those decisions. At that instant, yes, the guy with the gun makes a decision. In this case, he decided to murder people over the theft of property from a house whose owners he didn't know.

The law? Just one more reason that Texas should be sent back to where it came from.
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The law? Just one more reason that Texas should be sent back to where it came from.
Texas and the abyss do have a lot in common.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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But this isn't "vililantism"...what he did was within the law.
That is true.

Regardless of whether or not I feel that that law is rather loose and goofy or not, that is indeed true.
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Sigh

Except, of course, we live in a society that gets to ultimately determine the consequences for those decisions. At that instant, yes, the guy with the gun makes a decision. In this case, he decided to murder people over the theft of property from a house whose owners he didn't know.
He did what was legal under the law.

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The law? Just one more reason that Texas should be sent back to where it came from.
This is quite an ego boost, ya'll can't handle our laws!

I can't believe its this easy to drive people into saying "Send Texas back to Mexico".....
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I can't believe its this easy to drive people into saying "Send Texas back to Mexico".....
No way! The big Texas Chili Cook-off is on my Life's List of things to do!
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Heh...well take that one up with Pram, he's the one who wants to send us back to Mexico.
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Old 03-05-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Wrong.

He wasn't "doling out justice", he was acting within his rights as a citizen. I am sorry if you do not understand the distinction.
Passive-aggressive 'apologies' notwithstanding, are you suggesting that he didn't serve as judge, jury, and executioner?

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Hardly.

Horn knew the law, and knew his rights. What a dispatcher chooses to tell him is irrelevant.
How can you possibly know whether or not Horn "knew the law"? You seem adamant that the dispatcher is not "the law" and equally adamant that Horn is.

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Many Texans are aware of the law and act accordingly. Breaking into a home in Texas is a very risky undertaking.

Horn did nothing illegal. You must accept that. It may not be legal where YOU are, but it is 100% legal HERE.
I'm not overly concerned with Horn's particular fate, nor that of the criminals. I'm not really losing any sleep that armed felons died during the course of the felony. What I do find alarming is the sentiment that allows any sociopath with a hard-on for thrill-seeking to go around executing people on flimsy excuses. If Horn lived next to me, I would consider him far more of a threat to my safety than burglars looking to steal from people who aren't home. They simply want property - Horn wants the fun of killing someone. Generally speaking, psychopaths/sociopaths tend to be far more dangerous than low life degenerates on average. I see no difference between Horn and someone who executes prostitutes or homeless people for the good of society.
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Which is perfectly legal under Texas law! He did nothing illegal.
Fucking your wife's sister is not criminal either. Is that the right thing to do?
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This is where we disagree. I see nothing wrong with using deadly force to protect property.
Then why do you object to the idea of shooting shoplifting children in the back of the head while grocery shopping? By your own standards, there is "nothing wrong" with that.
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How can you possibly know whether or not Horn "knew the law"? You seem adamant that the dispatcher is not "the law" and equally adamant that Horn is.
Well how do you know horn didn't know the law? Contrary to popular belief Texans aren't that ingnorant (as proven by Horn and his behavior), if he wasn't sure he wouldn't get in trouble do you really think he would have told a 911 dispatcher he was gonna go and do it?
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Fucking your wife's sister is not criminal either. Is that the right thing to do?
Well i would obviously say no because i think its wrong, others may say yes.

I haven't said i think what Horn did is wrong...
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Contrary to popular belief Texans aren't that ingnorant
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I'm not overly concerned with Horn's particular fate, nor that of the criminals. I'm not really losing any sleep that armed felons died during the course of the felony.
And which felony would that be now...Burglary (Breaking and entering), that they committed or your perceived notion of Horn's behavior?

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What I do find alarming is the sentiment that allows any sociopath with a hard-on for thrill-seeking to go around executing people on flimsy excuses.
Its not sentiment its law and if he "has a hard on for thrill seeking" then he sure must be able to lure them seeing as they broke in to the property next door to him and then set foot on his property. If only others who had such sick wishes could lure in their victims like that huh?

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If Horn lived next to me, I would consider him far more of a threat to my safety than burglars looking to steal from people who aren't home. They simply want property - Horn wants the fun of killing someone.
Yes, clearly, he was just waiting and waiting for thievery to turn up at his doorstep right? now tell me, you say that nobody can know that Horn knew the law, how can you be sure that Horn had these wishes in him? How do you know he enjoyed it, where exactly do you get that idea from?

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Generally speaking, psychopaths/sociopaths tend to be far more dangerous than low life degenerates on average. I see no difference between Horn and someone who executes prostitutes or homeless people for the good of society.
The difference would be someone who did it for the good of the society probably felt no threat to themselves from prostitutes, unless of course the prostitutes went into folks homes stealing from them and terrorising their neighbors.
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