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Old 03-06-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

So now you're going to ask them for ID before shooting?
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This is the one aspect that i haven't thought about...if it was a kid, yeah well that is another matter i guess.

In this instance they were grown men but yes if involving children (those that do deserve more leniancy, even under our laws) it is something to air on the side of caution.
Fair enough...another reason to NOT shoot someone in the back though!
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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We look after each other on my street but when we see suspicious activity, we call the police and let them do the job they're paid to do.
What if its too late? I understand and respect the side of caution all of you (not just you, but Pram, Walaroo, Docand everyone has shown, i really do) but what if that person is armed? If the person in the house themselves puts up any fight the burglar will use his weapon and it may well be too late.
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Old 03-06-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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This is the one aspect that i haven't thought about...if it was a kid, yeah well that is another matter i guess.

In this instance they were grown men but yes if involving children (those that do deserve more leniancy, even under our laws) it is something to air on the side of caution.
How 'bout if they're human you should air [sic] on the side of caution.
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What if its too late? I understand and respect the side of caution all of you (not just you, but Pram, Walaroo, Docand everyone has shown, i really do) but what if that person is armed? If the person in the house themselves puts up any fight the burglar will use his weapon and it may well be too late.
I'm just wondering what you own that is worth killing over.
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What if its too late? I understand and respect the side of caution all of you (not just you, but Pram, Walaroo, Docand everyone has shown, i really do) but what if that person is armed? If the person in the house themselves puts up any fight the burglar will use his weapon and it may well be too late.
Or you could intervene and be killed yourself....I believe the biggest objection in this thread is that Horn killed these guys, then claimed they lunged at him, yet he shot them in the back....If these guys posed no physical threat to Horn, shooting them was unnecessary.
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So now you're going to ask them for ID before shooting?
Pram you can tell when someone is barely a teenager and someone is a fully grown adult. Also you've gotta weight the fact ofwhether a kid would even pose any danger, i mean looking a this from a practical view if i thought that a huge 6 footer was gonna break into a single mother's house i will act, but if its a kid the same size as me (i'm small myself) then it may be easier to try and get in his way (so long as he's not armed) or fight with him or wrestle him to the ground or whatever.
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That's because you foolishly believe a criminal's life is worth a damn.
Traffic violators, people who speed, and run red lights. Of course I hope you draw the line at jaywalking.
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Pram you can tell when someone is barely a teenager and someone is a fully grown adult. Also you've gotta weight the fact ofwhether a kid would even pose any danger, i mean looking a this from a practical view if i thought that a huge 6 footer was gonna break into a single mother's house i will act, but if its a kid the same size as me (i'm small myself) then it may be easier to try and get in his way (so long as he's not armed) or fight with him or wrestle him to the ground or whatever.
My 17 year old brother looks like he's anywhere from 13-17. Does he get shot?
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Or maybe you're just trigger happy and don't value human life.
I don't think so and i am pro life, but i support the death penalty and even though the death penalty is not applicable for burglary i do believe bad guys should die if and when convicted in a court of law. You may say that means i support death and that's down to you but sometimes to protect your own and or other's lives you have to kill someone else. (Kind of like you need war to establish peace).
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Would you want your neighbor to kill to 13 year old boys that broke into your house?
Want? Only when they are inside my house. Mind? Not really - to me criminals are criminals no matter how old they are.
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Pram you can tell when someone is barely a teenager and someone is a fully grown adult. Also you've gotta weight the fact ofwhether a kid would even pose any danger, i mean looking a this from a practical view if i thought that a huge 6 footer was gonna break into a single mother's house i will act, but if its a kid the same size as me (i'm small myself) then it may be easier to try and get in his way (so long as he's not armed) or fight with him or wrestle him to the ground or whatever.
You can't tell a situation just by giving something a casual looksie.

Children can look like adults. Adults can look like children. People can break into their own homes. Lawful mock break-ins can take place. The list goes on.
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Pram you can tell when someone is barely a teenager and someone is a fully grown adult. Also you've gotta weight the fact ofwhether a kid would even pose any danger, i mean looking a this from a practical view if i thought that a huge 6 footer was gonna break into a single mother's house i will act, but if its a kid the same size as me (i'm small myself) then it may be easier to try and get in his way (so long as he's not armed) or fight with him or wrestle him to the ground or whatever.
You can't always tell the age just by looking at someone...and then, suppose it's dark or they're at a distance...would you really want to shoot someone in the back and then turn their lifeless body over to discover you killed a kid over a television or stereo?
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Traffic violators, people who speed, and run red lights. Of course I hope you draw the line at jaywalking.
Completely different situation and unrelated.

Its also a stupid question.

We are not discussing state-imposed penalties for a misdemeanor. We are discussing the Texas law which allows a private citizen to protect property with deadly force.

The law is clear and explicit and I believe it has been posted here. Manufacturing pure bullshit and implying it is the same thing does nothing but make you look like a fucking idiot and frankly I'm growing very tired of this line of discussion.

You dont like the law, fine. I really dont care.
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