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Old 03-07-2008
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Easy,, ,you lunge, he brings the weapon up and fires as you turn away.
Do you honestly think that he didn't already have the weapon sited on the individual?????? Most people wouldn't give a warning if they didn't already have the gun ready!
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Do you honestly think that he didn't already have the weapon sited on the individual?????? Most people wouldn't give a warning if they didn't already have the gun ready!
Even if it was up already Mrs. M, the combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react is what frequently causes things like this to occur. Its pretty well understood by the people who have to investigate this kind of stuff. Entry wounds in the back don't mean near as much as you think.
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Ahh - you were responding to a different post than you quoted - got it. Now i understand why you made that comment, and why i interpreted it the way i did. In light of a different context, yes, that makes more sense.

Horn's story is not fucked by any means. The cop isnt going to simply skip out on the paperwork if he had a definite murder conviction in front of him.

You just don't LIKE Horn's story because you don't want to believe his actions were 100% legal.
But the law is so large and wide, and the sympathies of Texans are so bizarre, that a murder conviction isn't gauranteed. I don't like Horn's story because it doesn't make sense.
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Even if it was up already Mrs. M, the combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react is what frequently causes things like this to occur. Its pretty well understood by the people who have to investigate this kind of stuff. Entry wounds in the back don't mean near as much as you think.
Hm? For this to work the burglar would have to see Horn, lunge at him' realize that Horn is carrying a gun' and then try to run away. And Horn's reactions to all this would have to be incredibly slow indeed.
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But the law is so large and wide, and the sympathies of Texans are so bizarre, that a murder conviction isn't gauranteed. I don't like Horn's story because it doesn't make sense.
That's right - the law IS pretty large and wide - and that is intentional.

I can actually assure you there will be NO murder conviction. There wont even be a trial.

Horn did nothing illegal. What on earth would he be charged with? Charging him with murder here would be the same as giving a speeding ticket to someone who is doing the speed limit.
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Hm? For this to work the burglar would have to see Horn, lunge at him' realize that Horn is carrying a gun' and then try to run away. And Horn's reactions to all this would have to be incredibly slow indeed.
No it doesnt. This kind of thing can happen in ~1 second.
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Do you honestly think that he didn't already have the weapon sited on the individual?????? Most people wouldn't give a warning if they didn't already have the gun ready!
Not always, no. But I know of many people who had their weapons down, gave the command to halt an action, then had to bring the weapon up to fire.

I know guys who shot for peoples front, and hit them in the back, because they started turning away as the trigger broke. All kinds of crazy shit, that you would think is physically impossible, is actually possible. Hell, I KNOW guys that ducked RPG rounds fired from just a few meters away.

One of my buddies who was shot at by an RPK (machinegun) swears he is alive because he could see the bullets coming, and sidestepped them.
Strange shit happens, time perspectives are thrown off by adrenaline.
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Hm? For this to work the burglar would have to see Horn, lunge at him' realize that Horn is carrying a gun' and then try to run away. And Horn's reactions to all this would have to be incredibly slow indeed.
Not really. Read my reply to Ms M.
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Even if it was up already Mrs. M, the combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react is what frequently causes things like this to occur. Its pretty well understood by the people who have to investigate this kind of stuff. Entry wounds in the back don't mean near as much as you think.
If this "combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react" gave the criminal time to lunge and then turn away (about a second), then that same "combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react" would mean that Horn's intentions were to kill, regardless of whether the criminal moved or not. Afterall, he had to think about it in that second and then react....
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If she's hot and the wife is willing.....
Way to completely miss the point...
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If this "combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react" gave the criminal time to lunge and then turn away (about a second), then that same "combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react" would mean that Horn's intentions were to kill, regardless of whether the criminal moved or not. Afterall, he had to think about it in that second and then react....
No, it indicates Horn had the full intent to pull the trigger, which isnt a BAD thing. Rule number one of firearms safety is NEVER point a weapon at something you are not prepared to shoot.

The criminal may have reacted before realizing there was a gun pointed at him which caused Horn's reaction, which caused another reaction by the criminal - too late for Horn to recognize the change and stop his actions.
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Easy,, ,you lunge, he brings the weapon up and fires as you turn away.
No even he had already stated that when he said "Move you're dead" he had his weapon aimed eight at the guy, and that as the guy moved, the flinch itself caused Horn to fire, the guy moved at a diagnal angle which caused the bullet to hit him in the back.

Horn had drawn by the time he told them not to move, no doubting that.
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If this "combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react" gave the criminal time to lunge and then turn away (about a second), then that same "combination of action and reaction times with the delay for the brain to register and react" would mean that Horn's intentions were to kill, regardless of whether the criminal moved or not. Afterall, he had to think about it in that second and then react....
Either that or he isn't able to move and react as fast as he could think (he registered the move but couldn't align his weapon fast enough to hit them through the middle of their eyes and just fired at where the gun was aimed at to start with). He still intended to kill yes but that was because they moved. That would be about the only other explanation i can think.
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Way to completely miss the point...
It was levity and humor, for crying out loud. The point wasn't missed.
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No even he had already stated that when he said "Move you're dead" he had his weapon aimed eight at the guy, and that as the guy moved, the flinch itself caused Horn to fire, the guy moved at a diagnal angle which caused the bullet to hit him in the back.

Horn had drawn by the time he told them not to move, no doubting that.
Ok. Remeber, usually shotguns have "shot" in them, hence the name. "Shot" is not a single bullet, rather a collection of small bb's. His story is very plausible to me.
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