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Old 03-07-2008
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It was levity and humor, for crying out loud. The point wasn't missed.
Sorry i wasn't entirely sure whether it was humor or you just being an ass, thanks for clarifying.

The moral objection folks have is their own choice but also because nobody else has the scope of laws we do its very difficult for some of them to comprehend something like this being justifyable in any way or form.

We're just different in Texas i guess.
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Ok. Remeber, usually shotguns have "shot" in them, hence the name. "Shot" is not a single bullet, rather a collection of small bb's. His story is very plausible to me.
Well i've not questioned his version of events, so that's probably better answered by someone else.
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My 3 thousand dollar laptop with all my work files from the last two years on it is indeed worth someones life, if they are breaking into my property to take it.

Now, if I set it down somewhere and walk away forgetting it, and they take it, that's my loss, and I would not physically confront them. I would call the police and ask them to retrieve it for me.
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My 3 thousand dollar car, well, I WANT someone to steal that piece of shit. ( that's a joke, but I wouldn't kill someone over it, unless they were forcefully trying to remove me from it)

My motorcycle is in the same category as my car.
Can't say that I can disagree with you more. They're just things. Plastic, metal, glass, and rubber. They're not worth more than a person's life.
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But the law is so large and wide, and the sympathies of Texans are so bizarre, that a murder conviction isn't gauranteed.
Guaranteed? What planet are on? There's zero chance of this even mking it to a courtroom leave alone there being a conviction!
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Can't say that I can disagree with you more. They're just things. Plastic, metal, glass, and rubber. They're not worth more than a person's life.
You seem to keep missing the fact that those things represent a part of our lives which we gave up to acquire them AND a part of our life we would have to give up to replace them.

Why do you feel a criminal's life is so worthwhile that the rest of us should be forced to spend more and more money and time just to let a criminal take our property?

We will never see eye to eye on this one. Frankly, I don't even see room for a compromise.
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Sorry i wasn't entirely sure whether it was humor or you just being an ass, thanks for clarifying.

The moral objection folks have is their own choice but also because nobody else has the scope of laws we do its very difficult for some of them to comprehend something like this being justifyable in any way or form.

We're just different in Texas i guess.
I'm a Native Texan, by the way. Born in Groom, raised in Azle. Went to Springtown schools until 10th grade, then switched over to Azle. Lived on the shores of Eagle Mountain Lake.
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You seem to keep missing the fact that those things represent a part of our lives which we gave up to acquire them AND a part of our life we would have to give up to replace them.

Why do you feel a criminal's life is so worthwhile that the rest of us should be forced to spend more and more money and time just to let a criminal take our property?

We will never see eye to eye on this one. Frankly, I don't even see room for a compromise.
Well, I guess the difference is that I was raised to value life, and you clearly don't.

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I'm a Native Texan, by the way. Born in Groom, raised in Azle. Went to Springtown schools until 10th grade, then switched over to Azle. Lived on the shores of Eagle Mountain Lake.
Nice to see a few native Texans speaking here with a dissenting view to the most active posters, here. To the less informed, those posts seem to be an attempt to have the some believe that their view is THE view of Texans. Some have the ability to see that what is legal and what is just are two different concepts. That point (Matt's originally) should not be glazed over, IMO.
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Nice to see a few native Texans speaking here with a dissenting view to the most active posters, here. To the less informed, those posts seem to be an attempt to have the some believe that their view is THE view of Texans. Some have the ability to see that what is legal and what is just are two different concepts. That point (Matt's originally) should not be glazed over, IMO.
I actually agree with Horn's actions. Two people, illegally in the country, breaking into a house, both with prior crminal records for violence.... yeah, I'm glad they're gone.

Dude called the cops, cops took a long time showing up.... burglers came out of the house, Horn told them to stop, they didn't and were on his property.... clean shoot in my book.

All the burglers had to do to stay alive was
1) Not come to my country illegally
2) Not be burglers
3) Stop when they were told to by an OLD MAN WITH A GUN.
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Well, I guess the difference is that I was raised to value life, and you clearly don't.

Your loss.
You have no idea how i was raised.

I place a very high value on life - especially MINE. I have little to no consideration for the lives of those who would attempt to harm me or my family.

Don't you dare to presume the value I place upon life.
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I actually agree with Horn's actions. Two people, illegally in the country, breaking into a house, both with prior crminal records for violence.... yeah, I'm glad they're gone.

Dude called the cops, cops took a long time showing up.... burglers came out of the house, Horn told them to stop, they didn't and were on his property.... clean shoot in my book.

All the burglers had to do to stay alive was
1) Not come to my country illegally
2) Not be burglers
3) Stop when they were told to by an OLD MAN WITH A GUN.
Considering that the cops arrived in less than 8 minutes, I wouldn't say that it took them a "long" time to show up. It may seem like an eternity to those waiting for them but reality is that it's within the norm.
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I actually agree with Horn's actions. Two people, illegally in the country, breaking into a house, both with prior crminal records for violence.... yeah, I'm glad they're gone.

Dude called the cops, cops took a long time showing up.... burglers came out of the house, Horn told them to stop, they didn't and were on his property.... clean shoot in my book.

All the burglers had to do to stay alive was
1) Not come to my country illegally
2) Not be burglers
3) Stop when they were told to by an OLD MAN WITH A GUN.
Ooops...my error.
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I'd be curious about the sociodemographics of those posters who strongly support what appears to be premeditated back-shooting murder possibly condoned by what a majority of posters would consider weird Texas legislation. All military, ex-military, LE or other authoritarian vocations? Any professors, doctors, college students, senior business people?
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Considering that the cops arrived in less than 8 minutes, I wouldn't say that it took them a "long" time to show up. It may seem like an eternity to those waiting for them but reality is that it's within the norm.
You want to wait 8 minutes, especially when you have no idea its going to BE 8 minutes?
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I'd be curious about the sociodemographics of those posters who strongly support what appears to be premeditated back-shooting murder possibly condoned by what a majority of posters would consider weird Texas legislation. All military, ex-military, LE or other authoritarian vocations? Any professors, doctors, college students, senior business people?
If you have faith in an honest answer to that question, that is to say.
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