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Old 03-08-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Wow, i was even gonna mention the fact the ME uses these tactics too, i mean they have more of a "punishment fits the body part" system over there tbh, but if you are in favor of inflicting pain on someone why are you against killing them? Or do you just wanna keep them alive to inflict as much of your sort of punishment on them as possible?
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Well, IMO, corporal punishment is certainly not as brutal as the death penalty. Not that I approve of it, but I can see why Wallaroo wonders why you guys don't use it.
Its kinda hypocrisy on their part.

They used to practice corporal punishment in Texas less than a century ago, and the effect was astonishing.
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Heh, you think our standards are slipping or something?
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Wow, i was even gonna mention the fact the ME uses these tactics too, i mean they have more of a "punishment fits the body part" system over there tbh, but if you are in favor of inflicting pain on someone why are you against killing them? Or do you just wanna keep them alive to inflict as much of your sort of punishment on them as possible?
Im not against death penalty for people who have committed two or more murders. I dont like the scale in which the death penalty is used in Texas, and especially not in combination with your far from blind judicial system.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Shooting someone IS definatly corporal punishment.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Heh, you think our standards are slipping or something?
Personally, I don't understand the rationale that made your nation eliminate corporal punishment while retaining the death penalty. It seems, uh, illogical.
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Shooting someone IS definatly corporal punishment.
Definitely. So, then, why remove other, less final, corporal punishments?
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Wow, i was even gonna mention the fact the ME uses these tactics too, i mean they have more of a "punishment fits the body part" system over there tbh...
Since they were apparently thieves and this guy killed them, how does that fit with the specific incident we're discussing? The difference between "steal and you get your hand cut off" and "steal and we blow you away" is a big one.
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but if you are in favor of inflicting pain on someone why are you against killing them? Or do you just wanna keep them alive to inflict as much of your sort of punishment on them as possible?
The whole point, as addressed by some here, is that it wasn't his call to decide and administer the ultimate punishment. Seriously. what if this guy had been wrong about what they were doing?

I know one thing for sure, if this guy's neighbors fell behind in their car payments, I'd hate like hell to be the repo man.
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Im not against death penalty for people who have committed two or more murders. I dont like the scale in which the death penalty is used in Texas, and especially not in combination with your far from blind judicial system.
Far from blind? I thought you figured it was blind?

Member states of the EU aren't allowed to execute prisoners or criminals right?

You don't know what you're missing out on...

Tbh though i always figured you took enough pleasure and delight out of sickenning things (like you would have made a mealout of the puppy thrown off a cliff in Iraq) but maybe i'm wrong. No offense btw, i don't mean any of it as an insult.
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Definitely. So, then, why remove other, less final, corporal punishments?
But that's the thing, if its a state defined execution (authorised and sanctioned by the goverment) doesn't it become capital rather than corporal punishment? That was always the way i thought it worked anyway....
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Personally, I don't understand the rationale that made your nation eliminate corporal punishment while retaining the death penalty. It seems, uh, illogical.
I'm not really sure what the legal explanation was but i assume it fell foul of our "cruel and unusual" clause which the SC of our land openly interprets as anything other than peaceful, sweet interrogations and death using needles having spent a quarter decade behind bars.

Personally i didn't realise so many folks are in favor of corporal punishment, not until i read all this anyway!
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Personally, I don't understand the rationale that made your nation eliminate corporal punishment while retaining the death penalty. It seems, uh, illogical.
I heard that France made its last execution with a guillotine as late as 1977. Talking about being brutal!
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Far from blind? I thought you figured it was blind?
Far from blind means lots of innocent convicted, and thats a big ass problem when using the death penalty.
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Tbh though i always figured you took enough pleasure and delight out of sickenning things (like you would have made a mealout of the puppy thrown off a cliff in Iraq) but maybe i'm wrong. No offense btw, i don't mean any of it as an insult.
None taken!
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Definitely. So, then, why remove other, less final, corporal punishments?
Because, it makes those big old ugly bruises. Plus, if it happens to a black man, it just proves how "racist" the government is, because we condone the beatings of blacks, just like slave owners used to do down on the plantation. And didn't you know, EVERY white man owned a plantation and slaves.


Plus, corporal punishment HURTS. You can't punish a criminal, you have to reform them and educate them, cuddle and coddle and understand their disadvantages. But, you definatly CANNOT punish and hurt them.
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Far from blind means lots of innocent convicted.
Oh right, sorry i didn't know that.

Well dependant on what our stats look like we most definately are better off just beating them than hanging them as its a bit too late to let them sue if they're dead...
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