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Old 03-08-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Like, who does? Not your politicians, that's for sure...
Yeah but they for the most part are morons.

Interestingly just a bit more on this: I believe Poland was the only EU nation that did try and bring back the death penalty recently, they had a great president and he had an evil twin brother but then it got messy...anyway i don't think he managed to get it through because of EU laws, does anyone know any different?

I believe that the UK last hung someone in 54 or 52, not sure and i think because of commonwealth regulations nobody who is in the commonwealth (Canada, Australia, NZ etc) can execute anyone for non treason/espionage purposes.
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I'd be in favor of having neither. This said, if you're going to keep the death penalty, I see no reason at all to dispense with corporal punishment. It allows you to have a graduated response.
Possibly, i mean what the heck would be the point in beating them once they're already dead right?
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

How about that little part of the Constitution precluding the use of cruel punishments?

Oh, that's right. Conservatives don't like the Constitution.
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Propably not, but still incredibly ugly!

Getting hit by a 320 km/h TGV train must be the least painful.
That would never work, have you seen Amtrak's record?
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How about that little part of the Constitution precluding the use of cruel punishments?

Oh, that's right. Conservatives don't like the Constitution.
No well that is why i assume we don't allow for corporal punishment(s), it would also be deemed as physical pain which would be torture if it was for the fun of it.
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But he wasn't wrong, was he? He knew what was going on, didn't he.
According to what I understand the 911 tape contained, he certainly did know what was going on. He was going to pop a couple of burglars and he decided that before he even left his house. Cops are trained to NOT make those judgments until they have surveyed the situation. THEN they make a decision based on the severity of the crime and the potential threat to the officers.

You just DON'T shoot people because you think they are doing something illegal. You restrain them and beat the living shit out of them. That's the way I would see it. But the reason we HAVE laws is to keep us from doing these kinds of things on our own.
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You can always what if a situation to death:

" What if, right as he shot, an endangered California Condor flew inbetween him and his targets!!!! He shouldn't have shot, because that is a possibility! Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm all for punishing criminals and them getting what they deserve, but not if the remote possibility of a condor getting hurt exists."
That's a ridiculous comparison to "what is he's wrong?" and people using bad judgment happens a hell of a lot more often than condors flying in front of you.

Personally, I think if you steal something someone else worked hard for, you often DO deserve to die. But that's just my opinion. The reality is, that power shouldn't be in the hands of some untrained yahoo who just decides "I'm gonna go kill me some criminals."
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

@ Traveler:

And testimony extracted by torture is also illegal here.

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How about that little part of the Constitution precluding the use of cruel punishments?

Oh, that's right. Conservatives don't like the Constitution.
The term "corporal punishment" is also used for spanking your child. There sure as hell had better NOT be a prohibition to that in the Constitution.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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And testimony extracted by torture is also illegal here.

Oops.
It would be deemed as duress and the evidence would be inadmissable in a court of law but if you're torturing for information then usually the last thing you're worried about is a courtroom and evidence, it would usually be to do something like stop an imminent threat or whatever.
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That would never work, have you seen Amtrak's record?
I think he meant the European bullet trains. AMTRAK doesn't have anything NEAR that fast. And even if it did, there are no routes with tracks to handle that speed.
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The term "corporal punishment" is also used for spanking your child. There sure as hell had better NOT be a prohibition to that in the Constitution.
Interestingly, i know its off topic but do you think teachers should be able to paddle schoolkids?
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It would be deemed as duress and the evidence would be inadmissable in a court of law but if you're torturing for information then usually the last thing you're worried about is a courtroom and evidence, it would usually be to do something like stop an imminent threat or whatever.
And we have no evidence whatsoever that it has been an effective strategy in the slightest.
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I think he meant the European bullet trains. AMTRAK doesn't have anything NEAR that fast. And even if it did, there are no routes with tracks to handle that speed.
You'd have to get Richard Branson to get them to run on time first...

Or maybe he meant stuff like Eurostar but some of it must have to be undergroud too?
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The term "corporal punishment" is also used for spanking your child. There sure as hell had better NOT be a prohibition to that in the Constitution.
That's not an action on behalf of the State.
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Interestingly, i know its off topic but do you think teachers should be able to paddle schoolkids?
Worked on me.
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