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Old 03-09-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Hypothetical question: Would you also kill an innocent person if thats what it takes to save the life of your child? For instance, a guy points a pistol at your childs head, and the only way you can save it from dying is to kill the innocent person standing next to you?
I made that point above tha it would be an absolute no brainer, would i shoot to stop him? Try and stop me. After that the issue kind of died down and we moved onto the more humorous aspect of the thread.
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I don't know. It's impossible to say without being in the situation.

I'm not sure that I could live with either choice.
That is exactly the answer I expected out of you. I do not mean that in a complimentary fashion.

I MAY have difficulty living with having to kill an innocent. I KNOW i could not live with letting my child die when I had a way to prevent it.

That you would hesitate even for a nanosecond tells me you should NEVER have children.
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I made that point above tha it would be an absolute no brainer, would i shoot to stop him? Try and stop me. After that the issue kind of died down and we moved onto the more humorous aspect of the thread.
Slightly different scenario than what was asked before. The innocent isnt attacking your child - he is merely standing next to you. The choice is let your kid die or kill some unidentified (but not your kid) innocent.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Oh sorry, i didn't realise.

Would i fire even if the person wasn't related to me? to prevent that child being hurt/killed, most definately yes.

I would try and get the person to stop by drawing and ordering him to drop the gun, if he didn't i would most definately fire at him.
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Oh sorry, i didn't realise.

Would i fire even if the person wasn't related to me? to prevent that child being hurt/killed, most definately yes.

I would try and get the person to stop by drawing and ordering him to drop the gun, if he didn't i would most definately fire at him.
The question indicated there was no other way to save your child. The choice is simply kill an innocent standing next to you or your child is killed (not necessarily by the person next to you).

To me, this question addresses not so much a firearms issue, but a moral issue. Do you consider your offspring more important than some random unknown person?
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Ah right sorry, now i got it.

As much as Pram said either solution is unacceptable i would have to put my own child first if there was no other option.

The thought of it in itself is quite something that it would mean i had to kill an innocent person but my daughter would most definately come first, yes.
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Do you consider your offspring more important than some random unknown person?
Yes, I do.
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I cannot imagine ANY parent taking a different path.
This is the sort of situation that makes me think of those who get abortions in absolute disgust.

I have only ever known one person to do so, and it absolutely horrified me. It wasn't even anything important, she was just a total coward who couldn't put her on selfish career aside to have a baby, and to appease her own father who thinks she's a tramp and will never love her anyway no matter what she does.

Its all good and well to say that parents would do the same but unless someone is actually a parent i can't see them understanding, not even close.

Parents realise that when you have a child the child comes first, nothing or nobody else comes first than the child. I think you and somemarine, and others who will say the same thing do understand.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Assuming the burglars tried to pull a knife or choke or hurt the owners' of the house I happened to go and help out, you bet I'd do something. But I'd fire a few warning shots near their legs before I' would shoot them dead. No need to shoot people that will give up after all.
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Assuming the burglars tried to pull a knife or choke or hurt the owners' of the house I happened to go and help out, you bet I'd do something. But I'd fire a few warning shots near their legs before I' would shoot them dead. No need to shoot people that will give up after all.
Warning shots are a very bad idea, both from a legal perspective and a practical perspective.

If you insist upon firing a "warning shot", i suggest you aim for the chest. Easier target than the legs.
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That is exactly the answer I expected out of you. I do not mean that in a complimentary fashion.

I MAY have difficulty living with having to kill an innocent. I KNOW i could not live with letting my child die when I had a way to prevent it.

That you would hesitate even for a nanosecond tells me you should NEVER have children.
It wasnt meant to be a question of time, just as to what choice one would make if (for instance) a total psychopath has a gun pointed at your kids head in a bulletproof glasbox, and dares you to kill a completely innocent stranger.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Wallaroo these theories are highly unlikely ever to take place.

For example you may well ask the question what happens if you have more than one child and a gunman tells you to pick which one for him to kill!
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This is the sort of situation that makes me think of those who get abortions in absolute disgust.

I have only ever known one person to do so, and it absolutely horrified me. It wasn't even anything important, she was just a total coward who couldn't put her on selfish career aside to have a baby, and to appease her own father who thinks she's a tramp and will never love her anyway no matter what she does.
IMHO, abortions does a lot more good than harm. Not fun to be child of a mother who doesnt have what it takes to raise you, and therefore treats you badly. Perhaps you also have something against used condoms?
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Its all good and well to say that parents would do the same but unless someone is actually a parent i can't see them understanding, not even close.

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It seems as if your perception skills are somewhat twisted today. In post #568, I said I am not a parent and agree. Or, are you trying to tell us that I haven't the right to post opinions in this thread because I am not a parent?
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IMHO, abortions does a lot more good than harm.
Yup, there are people who feel that way, i disagree though.

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Not fun to be child of a mother who doesnt have what it takes to raise you, and therefore treats you badly.
Yeah i agree and there are certainly those who are indeed unfit to be mothers (like anyone who would even dream of getting an abortion) but the better option would be to give birth to the child and put it up for adoption rather than being selfish and kill the child.

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Against "used" condoms?
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