This thread certainly has lost focus. I'm not so sure it's about much of anything anymore...school discipline, sadism, abortion rights, etc.

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Agreed, that is indeed the morally correct approach! Then you have also showed the bad guys that your firearm is loaded and that you mean business. If they dont give temselves up after that, then you cant say you didnt give them a fair warning first.

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Whats the chance of the federal government sticking its nose into this Horn case?

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

There's always a great chance of the federal goverment sticking its nose into a lot of things...

Interestingly Bere did mention that before and it could well happen if and whn all the state proceedings are done if the ATF just wanna look into the whole thing but its unlikely much will come of it.

Um...have you thought that through ? Women who think of having an abortion are unfit to be mothers....and by having the abortion they ensure they aren't mothers, which is exactly what you don't think they should be.

or put another way, the moment they think about having an abortion they should have the abortion, otherwise they'll be a mother....which they are unfit to be. I like the logic.

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No not at all, if the consider the abortion as a "maybe" option there are some serious problems (if its not for health reasons) so the best outcome to that scenario would be if they gave the child up for adoption. But that means actually having the child first...

They may give birth to the child but they are no longer the mother if they give the child up. (Legally that is not biologically). Is that somewhat simpler for you to understand?

The reason i mentioned it btw is if in a scenario such as Wallaroo predicted above if you can't even allow your child to actually be born what the heck sort of a job are you gonna do defending him or her when they're out of the womb?

I'm starting to learn more and more about the "logic" of posters here.

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Yes, clearly you're the fit parent who would shoot a child for stealing your valve stem covers.

Get fucking real.

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I don't know about it being simpler...it certainly makes more sense. However I don't go along with the original premise that a woman who even considers having an abortion is rendered unfiit to be a mother.

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Yeah maybe i was harsh on those who have considered it as an option so i'm sorry for that, but i think having an abortion is something that is pretty unforgivable. Especially in the society we live in where so much help and support is offered to pregnant women.

I think it's pretty easy to judge, especially if you (impersonal you, not you in particular) haven't been there.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Must be hard to be pregnant when you are only 5 years old! The BIG question is - who the hell knocked her up?

The World's Youngest Mother

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Maybe, like i said there are exceptions for things like harm to the other mother's life and stuff but just looking at some of the scenario's that Wallaroo has put up...well killing an innocent person to save your own child's life is pretty gut wrenching. It puts a true value and importance on the issue of life.

That's why for me if it was a situation where i had to shoot to save someone even though an intuder was threatenning someone else and not me i would most probably try and stop him rather than wait for the cops. So long as the law allowed me to of course.

As the ability to make such blanket judgments on any sins (or imagined sins) involved is only in the realm of God, one would think such an outspoken Christian would know that.

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