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Old 07-01-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Actually, it's a long story that I won't go in to, but the house wasn't up for sale, I inherited it (it was just a little hunting camp, really)... so as far as they knew, the house was still vacant, and I had out-of-state plates. It's not uncommon for peoples camps to get broken in to around there. One guy admitted to me that he really thought I was robbing the place.

As far as my "other habits", yes, they were actually thrilled to find out that I was a beer drinker. I offered them beer, and no one got shot!
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

See, and thus there's no problem with the law we have.
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This story kinda makes me a little sick. I really don't understand how the charges were dropped. He shot them in the back. In most other states, that would be proof enough that he was not acting in self defense.

The story also makes me think about the various times in my life when I've had to break in to my own house by crawling through a window or breaking down the door. What if some neighbor who didn't know or recognize me decided to "protect" himself by shooting me?
Sooner or later that will happen in Texas too...
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That Jefe'll get shot entering his home?
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I really shouldn't have to explain to anyone that I am about to break in to my own house. And like I said, there have been a few times in my life when I've had to do just that - break in to my own house. Accidents happen... you leave your keys on your dresser, walk out the door, and it locks behind you. If I happen to live next door to a guy like this, who is willing to shoot someone in the back, it really doesn't seem all that unlikely that he could mistake me for a burglar.
But when you lie on the ground bleeding to death after taking a couple of shots from your trigger happy neighbour, then you can at least die happy knowing that he was willing to protect your property!
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See, and thus there's no problem with the law we have.
How do you figure? I mean, in Maine, the neighbors came over to investigate. In Texas, the neighbors would have shot first & asked questions later (or that seems to be the attitude, at least, based on the law).
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That Jefe'll get shot entering his home?
Could be you or some in your family. Btw, what town do you live in?
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Waco.

But conveniently for me, i am away from my home so often that i insist my neighbor (well 3 of them) to protect my property using all the force they have if neccessary, this law is brilliant for me.

And i do the same for them in turn if they are out of town and i am about.
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How do you figure? I mean, in Maine, the neighbors came over to investigate. In Texas, the neighbors would have shot first & asked questions later (or that seems to be the attitude, at least, based on the law).
The law allows for it yet, but even with Horn, knowing that he was dealing with burglars, he told them to freeze and that if they moved they would be dead.

They would more likely talk to you for sure, almost definately.

Even as much as you think the law is too broad ranging surely you see the likely scenario of what you're worried could happen is highy unlikely, no?
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The law allows for it yet, but even with Horn, knowing that he was dealing with burglars, he told them to freeze and that if they moved they would be dead.
He only gave them about a second to freeze, which is not fair.
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They would more likely talk to you for sure, almost definately.

Even as much as you think the law is too broad ranging surely you see the likely scenario of what you're worried could happen is highy unlikely, no?
Theres also the chance of people taking advantage of that law if they wanna kill somebody.
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The law allows for it yet, but even with Horn, knowing that he was dealing with burglars, he told them to freeze and that if they moved they would be dead.

They would more likely talk to you for sure, almost definately.

Even as much as you think the law is too broad ranging surely you see the likely scenario of what you're worried could happen is highy unlikely, no?
Sure, I'll admit that my scenario is unlikely. It just seems pretty fucked up that anyone can take it upon themselves to act as judge, jury and executioner... for burglary! We're talking about someone's stuff getting stolen here, Trav, not a threat to someone's life.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

I am surprised people are surprised.
Texas allows gun nuts to be judge jury and executioner. Stands to reason.
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Then you may well have gotten shot...the general idea is not to break into your own house i guess.

But why not knock on your neighbor's door and explain it to him or her on either side, that should help, and say you're gonna climb in through the window.

Its a highly unlikely scenario though.
Having to go to your neighbor's houses to explain to them that you will climb in through your own window is absurd. IMO if this guy shot and killed someone who actually was climbing into his OWN house, then it should be considered murder.
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Sure, I'll admit that my scenario is unlikely. It just seems pretty fucked up that anyone can take it upon themselves to act as judge, jury and executioner... for burglary! We're talking about someone's stuff getting stolen here, Trav, not a threat to someone's life.
Yes and generally the way to steal someone's stuff is to break into their home, if you try stop them they may well try kill you.

They're not being given the right to act as judge jury and executioner, we all are being given the ability to defend ourselves or someone else, our property or someone else's if we think it neccessary, that's all.
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I am surprised people are surprised.
Texas allows gun nuts to be judge jury and executioner. Stands to reason.
I'm glad you're on the wrong side of this, that does actually stand to reason.
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