Actually, the undercover officer on the scene ( who did nothing to stop the crime nor the shooting by the way ) says the bad guys were going at Mr Horn when he shot them.

Wallaroo,

Your sig is very telling. You get bent out of shape because Mr Horn shot some known criminals, yet you blatrantly and casualy through this into your sig line:

Estimated guess: At least 10% of the worlds population deserve to die.


Now, how would you know they deserve to die? What did that ten percent do to deserve to die? Who decides who that ten percent is? What court are you going to use to convict them?

Link? I never caught that part of the story, and can't find it after some short searching.

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Each man's death diminishes me,
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For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
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Burden of truth lies with Horn | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Police said Horn shot both burglars in the back, although a plainclothes officer who had arrived in time to witness the shooting said one of the burglars appeared to run toward Horn before angling away.

See also:

Joe Horn cleared by grand jury in Pasadena shootings | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Detective was on scene
Pasadena police have said a detective in plainclothes had parked in front of Horn's house in response to the 911 call, and saw the two men before they crossed into Horn's front yard.

Police believe that neither Horn nor the burglars knew an officer was present.

When Horn confronted the men in his yard, he raised his shotgun to his shoulder, police have said. However, the men ignored his order to freeze.

Authorities have said one man ran toward Horn but had angled away toward the street when he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb.

Ortiz and Torres died a short distance from Horn's house.

A news release from the city of Pasadena read, in part, "We hope that the decision of the grand jury, while difficult for some to accept, will be respected as the product of a careful weighing of all the facts by an impartial panel of citizens."

The apparent presence of an officer adds a new twist to the story. Thanks for the links.

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No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
—John Donne

No problem.

And you base this upon what? Horn has become a veritable recluse.

Even if that was the reason, as far as I'm concerned that is as valid as any. Removing such scum from the gene pool should be everyone's duty.

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It should only affect it insofar as the presence of any independent witness would.

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Good. Fuck that guy.

And what happens if someone decides that you are the scum that needs to be removed from the gene pool?

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Personally, I think Horn should have helped the robbers carry their loot to their vehicle.

I mean really, it is the neighborly thing to do.

If we don't have a right to protect our property, or our neighbor's property, then we no longer have freedom.

I suppose some people here would not fight someone who was robbing their home, or their neighbor's home. If Horn had not acted, maybe these scumbags would have come back to this neighborhood and hit another house and maybe someone would have been home the next time and maybe these guys would have killed the occupant.

To just allow people to steal whatever they want is not what freedom is about. The 911 operator could not have been more wrong.

Property is worth defending. If it's MY property, I worked for it and NO ONE has a right to take the property away from me.

I truly fear for the future of this country.

Bullshit. It's just stuff. It's not worth taking lives over.

Or, maybe it's a Konspiracy.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

That isnt your place to decide.

The criminals felt it was worth RISKING their lives over.

I really do wonder about the mentality that believes people should allow criminals to simply take whatever they wish. Do you have so low an opinion of yourself and your own worth that inconveniencing or harming a thief in the process of taking your property bothers you more than losing the property?

The criminals had the option to stop what they were doing, drop the property and stand still. They chose instead to either attack Horn, or attempt to escape. In either case, KNOWING they were facing a man with a shotgun, they chose to resist. It was THEIR decision which got them killed.

Pram, I'm sorry you have no sense of self-worth. I truly am. I would suggest that you not make the mistake of assuming the rest of us have such low opinions of ourselves.

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Why does it bother you so much that a man stood up for himself and his community? Why does the lawful death of criminals bother you more than the wrongful theft they were attempting?
As i am not a thief, or criminal of any kind for that matter, i do not worry about being forcibly stopped during the commission of a felony.

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I'm going to ruffle some feathers here. I just came upon this thread.

Okay, let's say the two guys going into the house are American soldiers, and the Horn guy is some Iraqi dude in his house in Iraq about to witness the two soldiers bust in, and the Iraqi dude kills the soldiers because he was "defending his/his neighbor's freedom?".

What about that?

Or is that a scenario that's already come up and the reason why this thread is like 189 pages long already?

See, you have such a fucked up view of the world that you really won't understand any answer I give you anyway.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears