How is it my view of the world is "fucked up"? What is "fucked up" about believing that my property is MINE and no one else has a right to it? PLEASE, help me understand why I should not prevent criminals from taking it. I really want to understand how you can believe criminals should be able to steal whatever they want with impunity.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

what your answer ? give the thieves a hug? "Oh hey, hey you commme back you, drop that sack of goods"...

Bet his block is a lot safer, I beleive he probably meant to take them down, not kill them.....set 'em up, knock'em down...they take things more seriously in Texas, the thieves should have been aware of that.....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Right. He shot them in the back with a 12-gauge filled with buckshot, but he didn't intend to kill them. I know that I've got that 00 buck in my 12-gauge only to knock people down.



The fact is that he was perfectly safe in his home, and went outside with the express purpose of killing other human beings. That is murder, plain and simple, whether fucked up Texas law recognizes it or not.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Cool, so can I come over to your house and take everything you own?

Will you hold the door open for me while I carry out everything you own of value?

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

hey man, I like you and all... but howz about this:

Give me your address, I'll come over and smack you around, maybe roll your girl up, then take all your shit. I won't do any lasting damage.

Now don't fight back, after all, it's just stuff. Insurance will pay for everything. Don't get upset when they raise your rates though, it's worth it to not fight back.

Damnit, quit beating me to the punch.

Now see, in your scenario, defending oneself would be justified - hell, it would applauded. That's a bit different than what happened in this story, though.

Now you're just going to confuse them.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

He told them to stop, they didn't, they got shot. The fault is their own, NOT Horn's. He brought the gun as a threat, and the criminals forced him to back up that threat.
No, he went outside to stop a crime in progress. THAT is a fact. Another fact is, it is NOT murder - PERIOD. On that Pram, you have to accept that you are utterly incorrect. That you choose to call it murder is no different than me referring to an Indy car as a truck. It is a completely inaccurate representation.

Again, you seem to be completely ignoring the FACT that the dead guys were committing a crime.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me why I should just let criminals walk in and take whatever they want. After you explain that, like others here, I will be waiting for you to supply me with your home address so I can come and help myself to your belongings - since you've made it quite clear that you will not defend them in anyway. I assure you - i will be there for the SOLE purpose of relieving you of property ONLY.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Absolutely nothing "heroic" about the premeditated killing of two unarmed men. Particularly nothing "heroic" about shooting them in the back as they ran away.

He got a walk on two premeditated killings. I've not an ounce of sympathy for his being "practically a hermit" in the aftermath of this.

Matt

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Well, first show me where I have said that you "should just let criminals walk in and take whatever they want."

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

And if your neighbor were to try stop him?

Would that be acceptable?

Had these men been in Horn's house, it would be completely different.

Horn planned on killing them both before he ever left his home, and said so on tape.

Then, he exited his home and carried out his plan to kill them both, by shooting them in the back as they ran from him.

"Heroic"? Absolutely not.

Matt

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Exactly, Matt.

Would I defend my house from an intruder? Damn straight. Would I shoot someone in the back for possibly burglarizing my neighbor? No.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears