Sigh

He said he was going out to kill them. His own words. I'm not convicting anyone of anything. I'm quoting the fucking guy.

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Oh right i see what you mean, that the law is so broad it leaves a lot of scope for abuse?

Hey, kinda like Horn did....

Yes, exactly. And, I think I recall OSB mentioning something in this thread as well. Consider a case where, say, I tell my girlfriend to come on over to my house and borrow a TV and stereo system from me. I accidentally leave the door locked, but she knows she can get in through a downstairs window. So, she lets herself in and hauls the equipment out to her car. If Horn were my neighbor (and she were more "brown" looking, perhaps), he would happily shoot my girlfriend for borrowing something from me. In a more sane situation, he would call the police, who would detain my girlfriend until I straightened everything out. Instead of a dead girlfriend, the neighbor, my girlfriend and I would be subject only to a few hours of inconvenience and some paper work.

I would consider having a neighbor like Horn and laws like you have in Texas to be more of a nuisance than the general crime in my area.

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*sigh* sure you are, he may have said that, he wanted to be a big man, just like I say sometimes; "fuck I am gonna kill that cue ball, no nothing annoying poster", I really have no deep down wish to kill him, I might have a desire too, but in the end I am blowing off steam, I bet he was surprised as anyone and since the GJ let him walk, the law obviously agrees.....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
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Oh, for fuck's sake.

Can't you just put me on ignore or something?

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

touche'..!!!!!!

hey, he was misdunderstood as a child; parental issues, you know, mommy never hugged him, , single family home, had to eat gravel as a kid, wet the bed till he was 10...give him a break...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Like you - i really don't see a thing wrong with Horn's actions.

What has offended me deeply is the attitude from so much of the United States that free, law-abiding people are supposed to just let criminals take whatever they want and not defend themselves or their property. It disgusts me to realize how much of a nation of wimps we have become.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

huh ?? you asked why I said what I said, I told you....wtf is this about?

dude....relax.

and add to that I look forward to your posts.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

But, that is not what the attitude is.

Nobody's saying you can't defend yourself. Nobody's saying you can't defend your own home. What people are taking exception to is the deliberate taking of life in this situation where nobody's life was in danger.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Nobody's life HAS to be in danger. Property = life, or at least a portion thereof. They were told to stop. They chose not to. Texas law allows for the use of lethal force to protect, and if necessary, recover property.

The decision to get shot was theirs. Horn merely fulfilled their desires.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I do remember Bere saying about being locked out and several have also made that case but i remember reading somewhere that we have the lowest percetage of people living in cities and the highest within the county jurisdiction ouside the city limits, basically where people live in small towns and generally know one another, in places where if someone even comes into the town everyone knows about it.

Cases of mistaken identity are very rare and i have not heard about one so far to do with deaths due to third party laws like this one.

This law works for us.

Well, then the law works for you only because it's not frequently applicable. Nothing about Horn's actions or the entire case would have gone any differently had the people been hired by the neighbors to move stuff, as opposed to burglarizing the home. And, apparently, the law would encourage Horn to do exactly as he did, even if it retroactively punishes him for executing people first and asking questions later.

At best, you have ambiguity. And, if the law allows for Horn to behave as he did, I think you'd have to let him go free, even if it turned out the people he killed were the neighbor's friends or relatives. After all, how was Horn supposed to know? Their actions looked suspicious, so they appeared to be criminals.

I would think that, with this law on the books, I should be able to shoot anyone I please if I can make a somewhat convincing case that I had reasonable cause to believe that he was a burglar. If I didn't know my neighbor, and I saw him trying to remove his screen from the outside, I see no reason that I couldn't shoot him for the fun of it, so long as I called the cops first and made a decent showing that I perceived him as a threat to the property next door. Furthermore, I see no reason that I shouldn't be allowed to shoot anyone I see taking a leak outside of his own home, since he is defacing someone's property.

So I guess the problem, as I see it, is that the law and precedent allows for a great deal of latitude in killing people for convenience or entertainment.

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He didn't THINK they were committing a crime, he KNEW they were committing a crime

Perhaps, given Horn's apparent gift of omniscience, he should be employed by the police force in some capacity, the way you sometimes see them paying psychics. It couldn't hurt to have someone on the force with supernatural powers.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson