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Old 07-08-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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well see I have to be fair. he didn't actually know that...yes they were strangers, at least to him, yes they were coming out of a window or was it a back door, hey, until the proof is positive, like horns state of mind, who knows......?
Are you freaking serious? The proof is well known, and positive. The State exonerated him of any wrong doing!!

How much more " proof positive " do you farkin need?
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

The State has wrongly convicted many, as well as wrongly exonerated many. What's your point?

Do you believe in the infallability of the state?
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Are you freaking serious? The proof is well known, and positive. The State exonerated him of any wrong doing!!

How much more " proof positive " do you farkin need?
Do you believe the verdict in the O.J. Simpson murder trial was the correct one?
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The State has wrongly convicted many, as well as wrongly exonerated many. What's your point?

Do you believe in the infallability of the state?
no...
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Do you believe the verdict in the O.J. Simpson murder trial was the correct one?
yep. However, that doesn't mean I don't think he didn't do it.
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no...
Then maybe a bit more proof positive would have been useful?


What's really sad is that there was a cop there. That's why the 911 operator told Horn not to go after them. The situation was taken care of. It didn't need a vigilante.
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yep. However, that doesn't mean I don't think he didn't do it.
That doesn't make any sense; You think he did it, but the verdict was correct.

Allow me to rephrase: Do you believe O.J. Simpson was rightfully found "not guilty"; that is to say that he didn't kill them?

Because the State says he didn't kill them.

In essence, he's been exonerated by the State...
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Then maybe a bit more proof positive would have been useful?


What's really sad is that there was a cop there. That's why the 911 operator told Horn not to go after them. The situation was taken care of. It didn't need a vigilante.
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BS!

The situation was NOT taken care of. The undercover cop didn't even get out of his car or SAY anything.
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That doesn't make any sense; You think he did it, but the verdict was correct.

Allow me to rephrase: Do you believe O.J. Simpson was rightfully found "not guilty"; that is to say that he didn't kill them?

Because the State says he didn't kill them.

In essence, he's been exonerated by the State...
Let me paraphrase: The prosecution in the OJ case was a fucking joke. They couldn't proive a goddamn thing. Therefore, the verdict of NOT GUILTY was the only correct verdict that jury could have returned with.

So, once again, the jury RIGHTFULLY found OJ not guilty.


Now, does that mean he was innocent? No. It means the State had no hope of proving their case.

In essence, he was exonerated from the case the state was presenting by a group of his peers.
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Now, does that mean he was innocent? No.
Essentially, it does.

You can parse words and play semantics all day, but the guy is, in the eyes of the law, innocent of those murders...

Do you believe, given your thoughts and opinions of the case, that he should've been exonerated?
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Essentially, it does.

1) You can parse words and play semantics all day,

2) but the guy is, in the eyes of the law, innocent of those murders...

3) Do you believe, given your thoughts and opinions of the case, that he should've been exonerated?
1) No word parsing or semantics. he killed those people. The state charged him with the crime, but failed to prove their case. The jury acquitted.

2) Correct, because the state failed to prove their case. The jury acquitted, since that was the only choice they had.

3) Yes, and he was. I really wish the state had proven their case, but they did not. So OJ walked. Good for him. It would have been a shame for him to have been railroaded by the state after they could not prove their case.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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That doesn't make any sense; You think he did it, but the verdict was correct.

Allow me to rephrase: Do you believe O.J. Simpson was rightfully found "not guilty"; that is to say that he didn't kill them?

Because the State says he didn't kill them.

In essence, he's been exonerated by the State...
A lot of things indicate that it indeed was OJs son who killed his wife and her lover.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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How could he be sure?
Maybe things are different on your planet, but on this one, people who are invited to enter a home do not typically force their way in and break stuff in the process.

That they were committing a crime has not been questioned at anytime, by anyone, until your post that is.
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And, who would freeze when some crazy old guy comes out of his house with a shotgun?
Anybody who DOESN'T want to find himself on the wrong end of an acute case of lead poisoning.
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I sure as shit wouldn't, and I'm not a burglar.
Then you are a complete idiot. I assure you pram - you cannot outrun shotgun pellets.
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Old 07-08-2008
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

When Joe Horn walked outside he had no way of knowing whether or not the perps were armed.

Should he have just held the shotgun on them and given them a chance to pull their weapons, if they were carrying them?

If both men had handguns and if both of them ran opposite directions while pulling their guns, it is possible one of them could have shot Horn before he could have shot both the perps.

While I understand how some people would not like the 911 tape, Horn did appear anxious to kill these two criminals, it is still a simple fact that he killed 2 men that were robbing his neighbor. Had the 2 scumbags not violated the sanctity of another man's home, they would not be dead right now.

Period.

It is their own fault for being scumbags.

If you are a scumbag, then you deserve to die like a scumbag.
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