Absolutely, excellent point!

We are developed and civilized.

I question the civilization of nations which require their subjects, er i mean "citizens" to be defenseless and to simply submit to the criminal class.

Frankly, I'm hard pressed to think of any great civilization which considered forbidding self-defense or defense of property to be a point of pride.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

It REALLY burns my ass when people attempt to claim Jesus was a pacifist or that a good Christian would simply let his body or property be abused by a criminal rather than defend himself.

There is nothing Christian about letting a thief take your property, or letting your neighbor's house be disturbed when you could prevent it. Quite the opposite in fact.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

France before Bast..... oh, wait. I see what you mean now

The French are a great people - but civilized? I'm not sure if calling them that is an insult to civilized people, or to the French...

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Absolutely, i mean there is nobody more so than Christ who would be angered by the thought of someone letting a poor innocent individual get hurt or lose his life etc, whilst someone else stood by and let it happen.

But to be fair, with Matt at least, he did say if there was someone in the property he would be okay if Horn had interfered to help the person(s).

I haven't seen anyone in this thread speak out against protecting or helping people. I'm not sure how Christ would feel about killing others in the name of electronics and jewelry - in fact, I'm pretty sure he had some strong words against attachment to material goods.

He had some pretty strong words against worship of material goods, but even stronger words against allowing harm to come to innocents.

Bear in mind also Jesus was, first and foremost, JEWISH. Talmudic law is not exactly what you'd call "soft on crime"

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

So Jesus was a communist?

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

Arguably, yes he was.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Be that as it may, theres a snowballs chance in Hell that God and Jesus would approve of shooting thieves in the back, unless they pose an immediate danger to others, which they didnt!

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

I think you're wrong there. I fail to see anything to indicate God would have a problem with it. Re-read Exodus my friend.

The idea of shooting someone in the back being somehow wrong is a purely western mentality and a relatively recent one at that. It is based on the old code of chivalry but forgets that the code only applied to honorable men. Thieves are hardly honorable.

The "immediate danger" bullshit is just that, bullshit.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

So how come americans (as commie haters) worship Jesus so much? Or in a different perspective, why are they against communism then?

If Jesus indeed was a communist, then you can also say that people who are against it are bad Christians. You can also say that the war against North Vietnam and the embargo on Cuba is un-christian!

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

Perhaps because we are primarily a nation of western european immigrants? Just a thought...
Likely because while Christianity has some communist overtones, it is not forcibly communist. There is a difference between holding a personal belief that one should help his fellow man, and being forced by government to let government "help" your fellow man.
No you cannot.
No, you cant. Even if you could, religion does not drive our politics.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Again, I haven't seen anyone in this thread speak out against protecting or helping people. However, in the case we're discussing here, no people were in danger.

I'm not sure why you keep talking about "allowing harm" when no one was even home, and this Horn guy was tucked away safely in his house. Can you please tell me who was in harms' way here?