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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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I don't consider him a hero. I just consider him a fellow Texan who is more than welcome to move next door to me.

The man stepped up and did the job we pay the police to do.
No, he didn't. Had a police officer told his dispatcher "I'm going to kill them" over the radio prior to arrival, and then gunned down the burglars, that officer would most likely be in serious legal trouble.

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Ultimately, this is what bothers some people, and for some foolish reason, rather than directing their displeasure at the government for doing its job in its typical lackluster fashion, they vent their ire at the man who did the right thing.

So what really bothers you Matt? That Mr. Horn took out the trash, or that you don't have the stones to do what he did so you have to belittle him to make yourself feel better?

You don't need to answer me - that question is more for your own personal reflection.
What bothers you, Eric? That people criticize Mr. Horn for his premeditated killing of two unarmed, fleeing criminal suspects, or the fact that Horn got his bones, but you've not yet had the opportunity to gun down any unarmed, fleeing suspects?

You don't need to answer me - that question is more for your own personal reflection.
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No charges have been filed and none will be. We like our criminals dead down here.
As far as I know, burglery is not punished with death. I believe that is the point most are making. The burgulars are, indeed, criminals. But the neighbor does not have the credentials to be a judge nor a jury (he hadn't taken an oath yet nor been screened yet for the jury). The cops could have taken, and should have been given enough time to, take care of it.
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Depends upon the situation. Had I been in Horn's shoes, in a neighborhood which had been dealing with a number of recent home burglaries, i may very well decide to take the same course of action.
But would you kill them if you didnt have to?
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No, he didn't. Had a police officer told his dispatcher "I'm going to kill them" over the radio prior to arrival, and then gunned down the burglars, that officer would most likely be in serious legal trouble.



What bothers you, Eric? That people criticize Mr. Horn for his premeditated killing of two unarmed, fleeing criminal suspects, or the fact that Horn got his bones, but you've not yet had the opportunity to gun down any unarmed, fleeing suspects?

You don't need to answer me - that question is more for your own personal reflection.
What bothers me is the attitude many have that I should simply accept criminal behavior and the theft and/or destruction of my property, eat the expense and go on knowing that the criminal, if he is actually caught, faces little to no jail time.

It wasn't that long ago even in this country that NOBODY would have criticized Horn for what he did. It would have been seen as nothing more than a criminal getting what he deserved.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

I'm all for protecting myself and my property but I think what Horn did was nothing more than vigilante justice. I definitely don't consider shooting someone in the back heroic and frankly, I think Horn should be arrested for it.
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I'll have to be in a desperate situation before I ever visit Texas. I've had to "break into" my own place because I didn't have keys.

In Texas some bozo would have hunted me down and shot me in the back twice.
Thats what I would be affraid of as well. There must be a clear distinction between cops/the justice system and ordinary citizens. It is absolutely essential, and one of the cornerstones in a civilized society.

There must be something that the federal government can do to stop this anarchy.
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As far as I know, burglery is not punished with death. I believe that is the point most are making. The burgulars are, indeed, criminals. But the neighbor does not have the credentials to be a judge nor a jury (he hadn't taken an oath yet nor been screened yet for the jury). The cops could have taken, and should have been given enough time to, take care of it.
The private citizen is not bound to the same restrictions as the state. He saw the crime being committed, he stopped it. Tough shit for the criminals that it was a permanent end to their life of crime and violation of others rights.
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I'm all for protecting myself and my property but I think what Horn did was nothing more than vigilante justice. I definitely don't consider shooting someone in the back heroic and frankly, I think Horn should be arrested for it.
You say "vigilante justice" like it is a BAD thing.

Wasn't too long ago that this was exactly how criminals were dealt with all over this country.

When the state stops doing its job and the people have to do it for them, the people tend to take more effective and efficient measures.
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Thats what I would be affraid of as well. There must be a clear distinction between cops/the justice system and ordinary citizens.

It is absolutely essential, and one of the cornerstones in a civilized society.
If you're not violating another's rights, you have nothing to be afraid of.

There IS a clear distinction. If it isnt yours, dont fuck with it. If you get shot while fucking with someone else's property, thats your problem.
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Ajax, we really don't WANT you here, so please, feel free to stay out.
So this is the famous "Southern Hospitality" I've heard so much about? I'll ignore the fact that it's presumptuous of you to pretend to speak for the entire state.

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No charges have been filed and none will be. We like our criminals dead down here.

So we can expect Mr. Horn to be convicted and executed then?
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The private citizen is not bound to the same restrictions as the state. He saw the crime being committed, he stopped it. Tough shit for the criminals that it was a permanent end to their life of crime and violation of others rights.

Wow it's a good thing the neighbors didn't set up an elaborate plot involving a simulated robbery.
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So this is the famous "Southern Hospitality" I've heard so much about?...
No offense, but the southerners certainly have no monopoly on hospitality nor on manners, based on my experiences living in the south, north, east, west, and midwest - rural or urban. It's a term that lost any relevance with respect to geographical location some time ago.
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You say "vigilante justice" like it is a BAD thing.

Wasn't too long ago that this was exactly how criminals were dealt with all over this country.

When the state stops doing its job and the people have to do it for them, the people tend to take more effective and efficient measures.
I'm really not for vigilante justice in everyday life. That opens up too many doors for cold-blooded murders. But it's not to say that I don't believe that one shouldn't be able to protect himself and his property. If someone broke into my house, yes, I would definitely shoot them but it would be out of fear for my person not my personal effects. I did see a guy break into the house across the street from me one time...I called the police and let them handle it because there was no immediate threat to human life. In Horn's case, there was no threat to him and he didn't allow the police time to get there, instead he became judge and jury and I can't support that decision.
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If you're not violating another's rights, you have nothing to be afraid of.

There IS a clear distinction. If it isnt yours, dont fuck with it. If you get shot while fucking with someone else's property, thats your problem.
What if I am out walking in the beautiful Taxas nature, and some land owner who forgot to set a "No Trespassing" sign up blow my brains out with his shotgun?
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So this is the famous "Southern Hospitality" I've heard so much about? I'll ignore the fact that it's presumptuous of you to pretend to speak for the entire state.
Hospitality goes both ways. If you're breaking into a home, you deserve no courtesy.
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So we can expect Mr. Horn to be convicted and executed then?
Nope. He broke no law, hence, he's not a criminal.
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