Wait! How the fuck did I get pulled into this?

I think he's a fine moderator.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

A fine meddlesexual moderator!

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

Of course I can agree with that, and for the record I will say I WOULD be comfortable defending a neighbor or friend (or even a total stranger) is he was IN DANGER. But, come one, the neighbors weren't even HOME. There was no danger to them by ANY stretch of the imagination. You can NOT be in physical danger if you are not where the threat IS.

And I am not aware of any law, even in Texas, where a threat to your stuff (being stolen) is considered the same as a physical threat of harm to your person. If there is I'd love to be shown such a law.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Look back through the thread, it was linked to and explained by Bere and it allows for lethal force to be used to protect property, third party or otherwise.

I'm sure the cops would love to hear that, that being THEIR job and all.

It still boils down to some shithead, even WITH the possible best of intentions, deciding he didn't need no steenking police training and appointed himself a law enforcement officer.

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That doesn't justify him playing cop. NOBODY, American citizen or otherwise, has a right to my stuff. But you don't have a right to plug someone taking my stuff.

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No it doesn't, it boils down to defending yourself and others who may be in danger or may be at risk or losing their possessions.

Perfectly reasonable.

I do in my state. If you were in Texas i could follow up and chase your assailant down if i so chose.

I don't think that would work WAY out here on the East Coast. We see that as generally falling under the heading of assault is no one is being threatened, and murder is you actually kill him.

One last question. When Officer Joe yelled "freeze", did they put down the stuff before or after he shot them?

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

I don't know, i haven't read the official report on it yet, not even sure if its available.

Btw its only murder if its unlawful, which it isn't in Texas.

We dont have any eye witnesses to the event other than that old fart Horn. He said they didnt comply to his order about stopping and dropping what they carried. It is however very possible that they did comply to his order, and that he shot them anyway. If so, he was violating texas law far as I can see.

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

No it wouldn't, it would still be legal to kill them as they may well still be a threat to him but if he did tell them to freeze how did they get shot in the back?? Unless they were facing away from him to start with? And there's no way that adds up.

If you want legal language equating the two, don't hold your breath. You wont see it.

On the other hand, there is VERY clear legal language indicating lethal force can be used to prevent the theft of property.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Really? You think it is the job of the police to protect individuals property and stop crimes in progress?

You're sadly mistaken Scribbler.

Even if it were their job, that would hardly negate my RIGHTS.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

He wasn't "playing cop". He was being a good citizen and a good neighbor by stopping a crime in progress.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.