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Wow it's a good thing the neighbors didn't set up an elaborate plot involving a simulated robbery.
Yep - real good thing. Perhaps if that was something you were planning to do, you might want to let your neighbors know. Just a thought...
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What if I am out walking in the beautiful Taxas nature, and some land owner who forgot to set a "No Trespassing" sign up blow my brains out with his shotgun?
Then it behooves you to be certain you are NOT on private property.

Here's a hint: If you have to jump a fence to get to it, you probably shouldn't be there without permission.

I know - you were expecting me to condone your trespassing, either that or you mistakenly think you could just wander onto unmarked private land.

(BTW - we don't have to post "no trespassing" signs either. The onus is upon you to know it isn't your land)
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Then it behooves you to be certain you are NOT on private property.
And exactly how could I do that without clear signs or a fence?
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Here's a hint: If you have to jump a fence to get to it, you probably shouldn't be there without permission.
And if there are no fence?

What if your wife and daughter got shot just because they were out walking in the nature? Then you might feel different about that law?
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Yep - real good thing. Perhaps if that was something you were planning to do, you might want to let your neighbors know. Just a thought...
Mr. Horn didn't know his neighbors and I'm sure his neighbors didn't know he was possibly criminally insane.

Here's a thought. Horn claims that the theives lunged at him but the theives were shot in the back. I couldn't find any youtube videos of any so called "reverse lunges" could you explain to me how it works?
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No charges have been filed and none will be. We like our criminals dead down here.
Amen to that, he will not be charged, pigs will fly before this one ever gets to a courtroom.
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And exactly how could I do that without clear signs or a fence?
And if there are no fence?

What if your wife and daughter got shot just because they were out walking in the nature? Then you might feel different about that law?
Texas is not quite like Denmark my friend.

You wont be walking out in nature around here and inadvertently cross onto private property. Fences are the norm.

Regardless, if you are not a threat, I'm reasonably certain the property owner would realize that. Besides, it isn't like we just shoot people for the hell of it around here.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

Neither of the guys Mr. Horn killed were a threat to him.

And bless my nose, he killed them anyway.

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Mr. Horn didn't know his neighbors and I'm sure his neighbors didn't know he was possibly criminally insane.

Here's a thought. Horn claims that the theives lunged at him but the theives were shot in the back. I couldn't find any youtube videos of any so called "reverse lunges" could you explain to me how it works?
How do you know he did not know his neighbors?

This happened months ago and there have been no charges filed. There wont be any. He did nothing illegal.

There is also nothing in Texas code which says you have to shoot em in the front. If they are escaping with property and you reasonably believe the property cannot be recovered, you can use lethal force to stop them. Yes, that means you can shoot them in the back as they're running away.

Bottom line Ajax, Horn broke no law. Texans do not see anything wrong with killing a burglar.
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Neither of the guys Mr. Horn killed were a threat to him.

And bless my nose, he killed them anyway.

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They were a threat to his property as they had just robbed his neighbor. They had been told to stop, they didn't. They were criminals Matt - get that part straight in your mind. If more people did what Mr. Horn did there would be FAR less crime.
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Thats what I would be affraid of as well. There must be a clear distinction between cops/the justice system and ordinary citizens. It is absolutely essential, and one of the cornerstones in a civilized society.

There must be something that the federal government can do to stop this anarchy.
There's no anarchy, its our law.

There's not much the federal goverment can do unless it trumps federal law, which in this case it doesn't as property rights and defense of property laws are left to the states.

It what the people of our states are happy with and if not its down to us to pressure our state legislators to do something about it. this has got nothing to do with the morons in D.C. and if they tried to interfere we'd tell them exactly how far up their ass they could shove their intentions.
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Amen to that, he will not be charged, pigs will fly before this one ever gets to a courtroom.
Trav, I'm as anti-criminal as they come but in this case, Horn was just plain wrong! He didn't have to go outside, but he chose to, he didn't have to shoot them because they were obviously fleeing, but he chose to. If the robbers had been breaking into HIS home, then I'd say he was justified but they were entering a house where there were no occupants at the time meaning that there was no threat to anyone's person. He should have let the police do their job or at the very most, held them until the police arrived.
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Re: Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars at neighbours'

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Neither of the guys Mr. Horn killed were a threat to him.

And bless my nose, he killed them anyway.
He was fully within the law as to what he did, do you dispute that?
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How do you know he did not know his neighbors?

This happened months ago and there have been no charges filed. There wont be any. He did nothing illegal.

There is also nothing in Texas code which says you have to shoot em in the front. If they are escaping with property and you reasonably believe the property cannot be recovered, you can use lethal force to stop them. Yes, that means you can shoot them in the back as they're running away.

Bottom line Ajax, Horn broke no law. Texans do not see anything wrong with killing a burglar.
Can you explain how it's possible to lunge at a person while running away from them? Horn said the theives lunged at him unless I missed something.

Also just because a person isn't charged doesn't mean that person didn't commit a crime.
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They were a threat to his property as they had just robbed his neighbor. They had been told to stop, they didn't. They were criminals Matt - get that part straight in your mind. If more people did what Mr. Horn did there would be FAR less crime.
And there'd be far more dead innocent people.
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Trav, I'm as anti-criminal as they come but in this case, Horn was just plain wrong! He didn't have to go outside, but he chose to, he didn't have to shoot them because they were obviously fleeing, but he chose to. If the robbers had been breaking into HIS home, then I'd say he was justified but they were entering a house where there were no occupants at the time meaning that there was no threat to anyone's person. He should have let the police do their job or at the very most, held them until the police arrived.
They would have been long gone by then...they're illegal in the first place, they were stopped from the start.

You said above that you ouldn' shoot if it was your neighbor's place being broken into but the law in LA doesn't allow for that asbest i know, our laws are different.

He was fully within his rights to do what he did. And that's probably why he did it too.
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