It's a moot point. Yosemite Sam had no way to know the immigration status of the lowlifes that were robbing houses. That's one of the many problems that occur when psychopaths appoint themselves as law enforcement officers.

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Alternatively we could invade the rest of the country and push our form of law on the rest of you...

That;s why i said its not a crime issue but a property rights issue, it could well have been that one day the scenario rises where someone is trying to get into their parents house having forgotten/lost the keys and gets shot.

I noly said that because Americano thinks its "low" for us to shoot burglars and criminals.

Horn knew he was a burglar at the very least.

Its to do with property rights and self defense, its not murder at all, what he did is legal n our state, and probably another state with equally broad laws on the issue is yours, if yours aren't even more in favor of home owners.

I don't know about "low". It was certainly sociopathic. This guy wasn't interested in justice - he was itching to reenact the OK Corrale.

But, I don't see how there is any property rights issue. No one is disputing that there was a criminal trespass/burglary. And, the "rights" of Joe Horn are immaterial as none of the property in question was his. Personally, I would be just as displeased with some neighbor I didn't know discharging a firearm on my private property as I would be with a burglar on my property, stealing stuff while I was away. I'd prefer that both vigilante sociopaths and burglar sociopaths leave me alone.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Ah another one with the "vigilante" terminology, what is it with that word?

This guy was doing everything within the rules of the law, if the law is the issue you have then fine but what he did wasn't wrong.

Comparing it to burglary is completely unfair, what he did was legally stopping someone else from continuing to break the law.

Completely different situation, and "shoplifting" is a misdemeanor..

On the other hand, i would (and have) told them to stop or we'd have a little talk with the manager.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

But, we're talking about criminals here. That's the point you've been making all along. Why split hairs? Are you for dealing with criminals or not?

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-Thomas Jefferson

Actually its about your mistaken belief that Horn committed murder even though you've been repeatedly told he did not.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

A vigilante is one who appoints himself an arbiter of justice, ignoring any law or law enforcement. The 911 dispatcher repeatedly told him to remain inside, but he disobeyed that order to get his shoot on.

I don't see how you could refer to him as anything else. Whether vigilantism is good or not is another discussion, but that's clearly what he is.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

I split hairs for the same reason the law itself splits hairs.

Shoplifting candies from the grocery store is a misdemeanor and when done by a minor, is best addressed by informing Little Johnny that he is behaving in a manner inconsistent with having a long successful life.

Breaking and Entering is a felony. Burglary is a felony.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

The 911 dispatcher is NOT the law and had no authority to give Horn any orders. NONE.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

So, when doling out justice at the end of a shotgun, one ought to be, say, trained, to distinguish between criminal statutes and the rights of criminals and victims? The way, say, a police officer would be trained?

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

No it isn't, a "911 dispatcher" is not the law, he didn't disobey the orders of the law, he did what he, rightly, believed was "upholding" the law, within legal boundries.

Something tells me you'd be singing a different tune if he'd told Horn to run outside, guns a-blazin'

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson