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Old 04-18-2008
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Child Killer Asks to Represent Himself at Sentencing

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Convicted Child Killer Asks to Represent Himself at Sentencing


BOISE, Idaho — Convicted child killer Joseph Edward Duncan III told a federal judge Friday that he wants to represent himself at his sentencing hearing.

A jury is being chosen to decide whether Duncan should be put to death for the abduction and slaying of 9-year-old Dylan Groene in 2005.

"I don't have an issue with counsel personally," Duncan said in court. "It's ideological. I don't believe that they can ethically represent my ideologies."

Duncan did not elaborate on what those ideologies are. But authorities have examined an Internet blog that he kept for months before the slayings which documented his internal struggle against right and wrong, railed against the ostracizing of convicted sex offenders, and offered religious views.

* His "internal struggle against right and wrong." Yeah, he molested kids. Killed some adults to GET at them and THEN killed one of the KIDS.

Why ?

He must have been visited by his demons. His "internal struggle against right and wrong."

What is disgusting is that we, as a society, have STILL not learned what to do to minimize these kinds of things. We keep letting these creeps go free to reoffend AFTER they've already OFFENDED. Because we believe this is a "condition" that can be "rehabilitated." *


U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge said he needed to make certain that Duncan was competent to waive his right to professional representation. He ordered attorneys on both sides to recommend area psychiatrists or psychologists who can evaluate him.

Duncan pleaded guilty in December to 10 federal crimes stemming from the 2005 kidnapping of Dylan and his then 8-year-old sister, Shasta Groene. Both were taken from their Coeur d'Alene home in May 2005 and sexually abused before Duncan shot and killed Dylan at a campsite in western Montana.

Duncan previously pleaded guilty in Idaho state court to killing the children's mother, Brenda Groene; her boyfriend, Mark McKenzie, and 13-year-old Slade Groene at the family home.

Jury selection for the federal sentencing phase began Monday, but Duncan told Lodge he wouldn't expect a switch to delay the trial.

If Duncan represents himself, it could put him in the position to cross-examine Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of the murders and abduction.

It is not yet clear if either side expects to call Shasta as a witness.

* This Duncan person had been previously convicted of sex offenses against children. As so often happens with these kinds of offenders, he got out ran off and reoffended. Added a few murders to the routine.

This is why we need a one strike law for this kind of sex offender. *


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Old 04-18-2008
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Re: Child Killer Asks to Represent Himself at Sentencing

Its probably a scam to get his sentence overturned and tie the judicial system up for years before he finally gets executed.That little girl will most likely be a grandmother by the time that scum of society finally gets justice served to him.
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Its probably a scam to get his sentence overturned and tie the judicial system up for years before he finally gets executed.That little girl will most likely be a grandmother by the time that scum of society finally gets justice served to him.
Yes, unfortunately that's most likely.

In the meantime, HE can enjoy his memories of molesting children.

Pretty neat huh ?
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Re: Child Killer Asks to Represent Himself at Sentencing

As long as he is deemed mentally capable of representing himself, he does have that right unfortunately. I doubt he will have the chance to cross examine a victim especially after he pled guilty. Either way, I would imagine he is going to get death with a professional attorney or himself.

Either way, dont look for a quick conclusion to this one.
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Re: Child Killer Asks to Represent Himself at Sentencing

There is a saying that someone who represents himself at trial has an idiot for a client. Let's cheer him on in this motion.
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There is a saying that someone who represents himself at trial has an idiot for a client. Let's cheer him on in this motion.
I don't know. What I see is a manipulation of "the system" in order to further delay his own death maybe ?

Not sure there's anything to cheer about there. This maggot should be "put down" ASAP.
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Duncan jurors don't want to view "sadistic" videotapes


BOISE -- Setting the stage for what will, no doubt, be a difficult hearing -- potential jurors in the death sentence hearing for Joseph Duncan were asked today if they could bear watching video of a child being sadistically and sexually abused.
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Sounds like a "must see" doesn't it ? One can only imagine what horrors these videos will show being done to a soon to be dead nine year old boy.

Soon to be dead because a judge with his head up his robe (something we're seeing much more of today) had PREVIOUSLY released this pervert !!

Will we ever learn that there needs to be a one strike law for pedophiles ?

The real question is; "How many more kids must be molested and killed before we GET it ?

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The videos in question were made by confessed killer Joseph Duncan.

Duncan has confessed to the murders and to kidnapping the family's two youngest children, 9-year old Dylan, and then 8-year-old Shasta.

He took the children to a remote campsite in Montana, where he later killed Dylan and videotaped his heinous crimes.

Duncan jurors don't want to view "sadistic" videotapes | Top Stories | KREM.com | News for Spokane, Washington
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Expect to see more crimes like this until we wake up.
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Jury selection for the federal sentencing phase began Monday, but Duncan told Lodge he wouldn't expect a switch to delay the trial.

If Duncan represents himself, it could put him in the position to cross-examine Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of the murders and abduction.

It is not yet clear if either side expects to call Shasta as a witness.
Having some experience here, it's pretty clear to me that if he actually were to call a surviving victim into cross-examination, a child, no less, he's pretty much putting his cock in the socket, as it were. Finished. Done. Dead, most likely.

What do you think a jury reaction would be when they see a child who survived that fall to pieces when confronted with the perp?
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Having some experience here,
I'm sorry to hear that.

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it's pretty clear to me that if he actually were to call a surviving victim into cross-examination, a child, no less, he's pretty much putting his cock in the socket, as it were. Finished. Done. Dead, most likely.
Maybe maybe not. Only time will tell. The maddening thing about these kinds of crimes is the slow pace of the justice system. That and the fact that the justice system, in so many cases like this, has failed to keep further crimes like this from OCCURING.

This didn't need to happen at ALL. This devilish creep should have been put away for his entire life the FIRST time he sexually fiddled with a child.

This happened because he was given freedom to do it again.

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What do you think a jury reaction would be when they see a child who survived that fall to pieces when confronted with the perp?
Yes, well there's that and these videos of this devil sadistically molesting and probably killing the nine year old Dylan. Can you imagine being a juror in a case like this and having to watch that shit ? How can these people watch it and then later sit in the same room with this creep without immediately attempting to end him with their bare hands ?

He is playing a game with our entire justice system. I suspect he KNOWS he'll be put to death. He's wanting to make a "blaze of glory" in any way he CAN. I think he should be quietly put to death and forgotten. And the judge who previously released him can serve a life sentence for aiding these crimes that took place.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
Thanks, but as arresting/testifying officer, not family or otherwise.
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Give him a gun, one round and a locked room - let him represent himself at the execution.

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Thanks, but as arresting/testifying officer, not family or otherwise.
Ah, I see.

Well, kudos must go to you and all others that have to arrest filthy fuckers like this. I have NO idea how you do it.

I'd take care of business immediately myself

I know that'd be against the law, but it would certainly be justice.
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Give him a gun, one round and a locked room - let him represent himself at the execution.

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I have a better idea.

Let folks that do deeds like this be locked in a room for 24 hrs. with living family members of victim(s). Room is opened and cleaned after wards and all events kept private. If killer is still alive, THEN the court system takes over.

If NOT.

No loss.

Justice served.
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This didn't need to happen at ALL. This devilish creep should have been put away for his entire life the FIRST time he sexually fiddled with a child.
And the rest of his life should have been extremely brief and painful...or long and painful....just as long as it was VERY painful.
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Re: Child Killer Asks to Represent Himself at Sentencing

So back to the question of post # 7.

Should jurors be made to view this disgusting maggots videos of his sadistic molestation (and possible killing) of a nine year old boy ? This creep obviously wants as much of the world to view what he did.

I'd say;

"Yes. But only if the jurors are then given the option to immedietely deliver justice as they see fit."

What do you say ?
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