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Re: NYPD officers acquitted of all charges in shooting of Sean Bell

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They can stop the person if they have reasonable suspicion a crime has been/is being/or about to be committed. they can search if they have reasonable suspicion if the person stopped could have a weapon. The officers had “specific and articulable facts” when the men in question started talking about getting the weapon.
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No they were investigating a crime that could be on going.
had he stopped when they asked they would have found he did not have the weapon and he would have been able to go on with his night.
...after having his property violated by the cops, right?

If they were investigating a crime that could be going on, they should have waited until they had some physical evidence, as opposed to taking someone's joke too seriously.
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"Whatever threat would compel someone to shoot someone in the leg is no different than the threat that would compel someone to aim for center mass."
Without you having even a basic understanding of the concept of the use of deadly force, you wouldn't know "proof" if it fell on you...

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"It doesn;t give you or I that authority, but it does give it to a police officer..." -where does it say, in current laws, that yelling "stop" at someone gives cops the authority to wave their guns at them?
Please show me where any police officer was "waving" his gun? That sounds more like the kind of thing that some piece-of-shit street punk would do, not a law enforcement officer...
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Re: NYPD officers acquitted of all charges in shooting of Sean Bell

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Please show me where you said "cars that transport people".

You wanted a car, I gave you a car. The fact that it ruins your stupid little argument is of no concern to me...
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Why? I'll probably get killed by the same assholes who killed Bell.
And why?

Because stupid "jokes" like the ones you seem to think are okay are the same things that other people, rightly, don't fuck around with...

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How about the lack of physical evidence that he actually has a gun?
Agan, you seem to think it's okay to "joke" about serious issues.

Thankfully, there are people who see things differently than you...
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Please show me where you said "cars that transport people".
Context of the thread.
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You wanted a car, I gave you a car. The fact that it ruins your stupid little argument is of no concern to me...
I'm sorry that you can't figure out the context in which I ask my questions.
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Context of the thread.

I'm sorry that you can't figure out the context in which I ask my questions.
Given the juvenile manner of your arguments, I found a Matchbox car to be most appropriate...
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Without you having even a basic understanding of the concept of the use of deadly force, you wouldn't know "proof" if it fell on you...
Why don't you let me worry about that. You worry about substantiating your baseless argument.
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Please show me where any police officer was "waving" his gun? That sounds more like the kind of thing that some piece-of-shit street punk would do, not a law enforcement officer...
Please don't get attached to semantics. They drew their guns. Whether they waved it at him or not is irrelevant. I simply asked how "yelling "stop" at someone gives cops the authority to" wave/point/etc... their guns at the target.
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And why?
Because they're assholes who think they're above the law.
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Because stupid "jokes" like the ones you seem to think are okay are the same things that other people, rightly, don't fuck around with...



Agan, you seem to think it's okay to "joke" about serious issues.

Thankfully, there are people who see things differently than you...
Thankfully there are uptight assholes who can't take a joke? I don't see how that is thankful.
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Given the juvenile manner of your arguments, I found a Matchbox car to be most appropriate...
Look, if you can't understand the context of this thread, just say it.
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Re: NYPD officers acquitted of all charges in shooting of Sean Bell

The fact that you are trying to pass off the gun comment as a joke shows that you have no idea what the word truly looks like.You have no grasp on reality or you a simply just having fun arguing. any nine year old kid knows you don't joke about having a gun and then try a get away from the police. I don't know anyone that stupid. Well maybe I do know one.
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The fact that you are trying to pass off the gun comment as a joke shows that you have no idea what the word truly looks like.You have no grasp on reality or you a simply just having fun arguing. any nine year old kid knows you don't joke about having a gun and then try a get away from the police. I don't know anyone that stupid. Well maybe I do know one.
Once again, he joked and the cops took it too seriously. Tell me what is more serious: joking about a gun you don't have or pointing a read one at someone in a serious manner?
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Re: NYPD officers acquitted of all charges in shooting of Sean Bell

He joked? That's the best you've got.


Tell you what. Go tell "jokes" about having a bomb at the airport. See where that gets you.
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He joked? That's the best you've got.
Well, what else can you call it? He was totally serious about getting a gun he didn't have?
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Tell you what. Go tell "jokes" about having a bomb at the airport. See where that gets you.
I didn't say it was a good idea. I simply said it is not a crime, nor is it worthy of being SERIOUSLY, not jokingly, threatened with a REAL firearm.
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Well, what else can you call it? He was totally serious about getting a gun he didn't have?

I didn't say it was a good idea. I simply said it is not a crime, nor is it worthy of being SERIOUSLY, not jokingly, threatened with a REAL firearm.
Actually, it is a crime. If the officer involved (or any person for that matter) reasonably felt threatened, it's menacing.

And, it's just as inappropriate to tell a cop that you're getting your gun than it is to talk about having a bomb at an airport.
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Actually, it is a crime. If the officer involved (or any person for that matter) reasonably felt threatened, it's menacing.

And, it's just as inappropriate to tell a cop that you're getting your gun than it is to talk about having a bomb at an airport.
I would imagine that bombs are generally banned in private airports. This occurred on a public street, though. And again, having a gun/bomb does not equate to wanting to set one off. Why would anyone talk about it if they really wanted to do it? Wouldn't that ruin their plan?
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