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Old 05-07-2008
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Your earlier, pitiful failure of an attempt to put words in my mouth earlier has confirmed that your opinion means nothing.

Will you elect to try to actually have a discussion, or will you elect to continue to troll?
So I presume you are opposed to categorizing people's behavior based on status of their facial hair?

Well I am opposed to categorizing people's behavior on the basis of their immigration status.
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So I presume you are opposed to categorizing people's behavior based on status of their facial hair?

Well I am opposed to categorizing people's behavior on the basis of their immigration status.
No, I'm opposed to giving consideration for anything you might have to say, primarily because when you have nothing to work with, you put words in people's mouths...
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No, I'm opposed to giving consideration for anything you might have to say, primarily because when you have nothing to work with, you put words in people's mouths...
What words did I put in your mouth?
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So I presume you are opposed to categorizing people's behavior based on status of their facial hair?

Well I am opposed to categorizing people's behavior on the basis of their immigration status.
How about categorizing people on the basis of a proven criminal record? If Group A has a 100% crime rate while Group B has a 30% crime rate are we wrong to look more cautiously at Group A in matters related to the commissions of crime?

All illegal aliens are law breakers; 100% crime rate amongst these people on the basis they illegally entered into the United States.
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How about categorizing people on the basis of a proven criminal record? If Group A has a 100% crime rate while Group B has a 30% crime rate are we wrong to look more cautiously at Group A in matters related to the commissions of crime?

All illegal aliens are law breakers; 100% crime rate amongst these people on the basis they illegally entered into the United States.
The fact that I speed virtually every time I am driving a motor vehicle, or the fact that I regularly consume alcohol below the legal age limit does not make me more likely to rape a ten year old.
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What words did I put in your mouth?
Why don't you just say you don't like foreigners, because you want to protect the American culture or reduce crime or something like that. I'm cool with that. I don't want illegals out of my country because they are illegal, I want them out because they are foreigners. Why not drop the "illegal" facade and make it just about immigration?
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How about categorizing people on the basis of a proven criminal record? If Group A has a 100% crime rate while Group B has a 30% crime rate are we wrong to look more cautiously at Group A in matters related to the commissions of crime?

All illegal aliens are law breakers; 100% crime rate amongst these people on the basis they illegally entered into the United States.
I disagree with you on a great many things.

This is not one of them...
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The fact that I speed virtually every time I am driving a motor vehicle, or the fact that I regularly consume alcohol below the legal age limit does not make me more likely to rape a ten year old.
I never said that it did but it is wrong to categorise groups when one group has as 100% crime rate in comparison to other groups who do not have such an established rate of criminal behaviour? I rarely agree with Steve but he is dead right on his points and I would add that it is not a shock that groups with a 100% crime rate will be predisposed to commit crime even a variety of crimes that may be unrelated to their original offence.

Illegal aliens have a proven disregard for American law and I see no reason why they would suddenly honour American law after they crossed the magical borderline. Maybe they will not become rapists but it would not surprise me if they did commit such acts considering their contempt for U.S. law.
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The fact that I speed virtually every time I am driving a motor vehicle, or the fact that I regularly consume alcohol below the legal age limit does not make me more likely to rape a ten year old.
I've seen no evidence of that. You already acknowledge that you have a propensity to break the law. So, I would say it does make you more likely to do it than someone who doesn't break the law.

I'm not saying the odds are all that great, but they are better...
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I've seen no evidence of that. You already acknowledge that you have a propensity to break the law. So, I would say it does make you more likely to do it than someone who doesn't break the law.

I'm not saying the odds are all that great, but they are better...
No, they aren't better. I have a propensity to break laws regarding speed limits and consumption regulations, not raping the kiddies.
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Why don't you just say you don't like foreigners, because you want to protect the American culture or reduce crime or something like that. I'm cool with that. I don't want illegals out of my country because they are illegal, I want them out because they are foreigners. Why not drop the "illegal" facade and make it just about immigration?
Eh... ok. Those were my words, not yours. If I wanted people to think they were yours I'd put them in a quote box.

The point I'm making is that I don't like Ahmed from Morocco who stole my bike because he is a criminal from Morocco. What does it matter that he is noted in the governement registry or not?
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No, they aren't better. I have a propensity to break laws regarding speed limits and consumption regulations, not raping the kiddies.
The odds are certainly better that a person with no regard for the law will break said laws; which law will be broken is up for debate but I would say that one with contempt for the law is more likely to commit the act of rape than one who respects the law.
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Eh... ok. Those were my words, not yours. If I wanted people to think they were yours I'd put them in a quote box.

The point I'm making is that I don't like Ahmed from Morocco who stole my bike because he is a criminal from Morocco. What does it matter that he is noted in the governement registry or not?
It matters because if this criminal were deported as he should have been or the border secured as it should have been; the child would be alive right now.

It is one thing to have to deal with your own criminals but to impose foreign criminals on your own population when they could have been denied entry or at least removed is truly immoral...
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It matters because if this criminal were deported as he should have been or the border secured as it should have been; the child would be alive right now.

It is one thing to have to deal with your own criminals but to impose foreign criminals on your own population when they could have been denied entry or at least removed is truly immoral...
Well many legal immigrants who commited crimes could have been denied entry as well. Isn't that just as immoral?
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Your earlier, pitiful failure of an attempt to put words in my mouth earlier has confirmed that your opinion means nothing.

Will you elect to try to actually have a discussion, or will you elect to continue to troll?
This coming from the guy who said twice that I think that the raping of girls is OK.


That's funny.
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