Those Fun Lovin' Illegals... - Page 4 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Frank · #46 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by erikvv

Well many legal immigrants who commited crimes could have been denied entry as well. Isn't that just as immoral?

Damn right it is! Your pitiful European Union has been notorious for sicking third world migrants/refugees on the women and children of Western Europe; unfortunately the "men" of the EU have been too gutless and spineless to stand up for their ladies and kiddies.

pramjockey · #47 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

Frank, do you have any actual research that there is a proclivity among those who illegally cross borders to perform unrelated crimes?

Any at all?

Your anecdotes and false parallels are not evidence nor research, BTW.

Frank · #48 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Frank, do you have any actual research that there is a proclivity among those who illegally cross borders to perform unrelated crimes?

Any at all?

How about DWI rates amongst Hispanics in North Carolina?

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Nearly one of every five motorists arrested last year in North Carolina for driving while impaired was Hispanic. In Mecklenburg County, one of every four DWI suspects was Hispanic.

Police and Hispanic leaders are troubled by the numbers, which have more than tripled in just seven years—and far exceed the percentage of Latinos in the state.

Hispanic leaders say too many Latinos, most of them male, are drinking and driving—and, too often, dying—because they don’t fully understand the law or the danger.

In 1997, the 3,698 Hispanics charged with DWI represented 5 percent of the more than 78,000 arrests in North Carolina.

Last year, 12,039 Hispanics were charged with DWI. That’s 19 percent of the nearly 62,000 arrests statewide. Hispanics make up an estimated 6 percent of the state’s population.

{snip}

The percentage of Hispanics being arrested for DWI in Charlotte and Mecklenburg County has increased at an even faster pace.

In 2000, the 225 Hispanics arrested countywide represented 6 percent of the more than 4,000 DWI arrests. Last year, the 913 DWI charges against Hispanics accounted for 25 percent of the more than 3,500 arrests. Hispanics make up about 8 percent of Mecklenburg’s population.

American Renaissance News: DWI Arrest Rate Worries Hispanic Leaders in N.C. *

Original Source: Gary L. Wright, Charlotte Observer, May 8

Or maybe this one:

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A recent study by the Pew Hispanic Center reveals the following:

(1) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than non-Hispanics to receive welfare

(2) Hispanics account for 3/4 of the increase in poverty in the USA

(3) 45% of Hispanic children are born out of wedlock

(4) Hispanic women are 2.54 times more likely to than white women to have abortions

(5) Hispanic men are 9 times more likely than white men to beat their partners

(6) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than whites to die of AIDS

(7) They are 4 times more likely to die of tuberculosis

(8) Hispanics are 2 times more likely to be incarcerated than non-Hispanics

(9) They are 3.8 times more likely to be in prison for murder than non-Hispanics

(10) Hispanic youth are 19 times more likely to be in gangs

(11) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than non-Hispanics to drop out of high school

(12) 55% of Mexican-Americans consider themselves to be Mexican first

Statistics on 'Hard-Workin' Immigrants by William H. Calhoun III

Steve · #49 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

No, they aren't better. I have a propensity to break laws regarding speed limits and consumption regulations, not raping the kiddies.

Yes, they are. You're more likely to commit a crime than someone who doesn't commit them.

If you were charged with solving a crime, who would you suspect? Joe-Average-Law-Abiding-Citizen, or the kid who brags about regularly breaking the law?

Steve · #50 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by erikvv

Eh... ok. Those were my words, not yours. If I wanted people to think they were yours I'd put them in a quote box.

You told me what I should say; likely for no other reason than you're unable to refute what my position actually is...

Donkey_Left · #51 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

How about DWI rates amongst Hispanics in North Carolina?

Or maybe this one:

Hispanics = illegals?

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yes, they are. You're more likely to commit a crime than someone who doesn't commit them.

If you were charged with solving a crime, who would you suspect? Joe-Average-Law-Abiding-Citizen, or the kid who brags about regularly breaking the law?

I'm not bragging, I'm simply stating a fact.

And I suspect that the fact that I speed and drink alcohol makes me much more average than somebody who does not.

pramjockey · #52 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

@ Frank's post above:

Nope.

Most Latinos are not illegal immigrants.

Steve · #53 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

This coming from the guy who said twice that I think that the raping of girls is OK.

That's funny.

Well, this thread is four pages old, and I've yet to see you condemn it...

Donkey_Left · #54 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

Well, this thread is four pages old, and I've yet to see you condemn it...

Steve · #55 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

I'm not bragging, I'm simply stating a fact.

And I suspect that the fact that I speed and drink alcohol makes me much more average than somebody who does not.

It's not at all surprising that would be your response.

You're an underage kid who, by his own admission, regularly breaks the law.

You are more likely to commit other crimes tahn someone who does not currently break the law.

You don't have to like it, but you look silly when you try to refute it...

Frank · #56 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

@ Frank's post above:

Nope.

Most Latinos are not illegal immigrants.

I have this...

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Illegal Immigrants Filling Jails

Raleigh—County jails throughout North Carolina are stressed to the limit with illegal immigrants, law-enforcement officials say.

With the lack of immigration control to deal with the estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants residing in the state, it probably won’t be getting better anytime soon.

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Randy Jones, director of public information for the Alamance County Sheriff’s Department, said about 40 percent of the inmates in the county’s jail are Hispanics and most of those have illegally entered the country.

“It’s draining the system, and you’re looking at disaster,” he said. “Some of the public is just coming to grips with (illegal immigrants). Right now, there’s not a way to solve the problem until the government solves the problem. The issue needs to be addressed on both the federal and state level.”

It’s not racial discrimination, as some have feared, but cultural differences that are putting most of the illegal immigrants behind bars.

The arrests are legitimate, Jones said, and arise mostly from drug trafficking or driving under the influence of alcohol in Alamance County. DUI is the number one killer of Hispanic males in the state, he said.

Illegal Immigrants Filling Jails

pramjockey · #57 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

Well, this thread is four pages old, and I've yet to see you condemn it...

Seriously?

That's the best you've got?

Donkey_Left · #58 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

It's not at all surprising that would be your response.

You're an underage kid who, by his own admission, regularly breaks the law.

You are more likely to commit other crimes tahn someone who does not currently break the law.

You don't have to like it, but you look silly when you try to refute it...

I am more likely to break the laws to which I referred.

I am not more likely to rape children.

Frank · #59 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

@ Frank's post above:

Nope.

Most Latinos are not illegal immigrants.

Here is another one...

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Illegal Aliens Linked To Rise In Crime Statistics

-Jim Kouri, Sierra Times, June 23, 2006

The former Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that as of January 2000 the total unauthorized immigrant population residing in the United States was 7 million. This total includes those who entered the United States illegally and those who entered legally but overstayed their authorized period of stay.

A more recent study estimated that there were about 10 million illegal aliens living in the United States as of March 2005. The study estimated that nearly 700,000 aliens entered the United States illegally or overstayed their authorized period of stay each year between 2000 and 2004. Some experts believe this is a overly conservative figure and that illegal immigrants number close to 20 million.

At the same time, after a steady annual reduction in crime, the annual FBI Uniform Crime Report reveals a slow but sure yearly increase in crime, especially violent crime. Some criminologists attribute the rise in crime to illegal aliens who come into the United States with a criminal background.

Many illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails. The US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens who are incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails.

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In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.

About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

{snip}

Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states—California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.

American Renaissance News: Illegal Aliens Linked To Rise In Crime Statistics

pramjockey · #60 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008

You do understand the difference between correlation and causation, right?

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