I don't particularly give a fuck if you're skeptical of it. My wife's constantly giving me shit for (GASP!) driving the speed limit and stopping at, wait for it... STOP SIGNS!!

I have to wonder why you find someone who obeys our laws to be "holier" than anything. If that's how you view the world, you're in for a tough life, kid...

Do what you will. Break the law, abuse alcohol; continue your underage drinking. It's only a matter of time before you can drink legally. It'll surprise no one if you then find some other law to break for a while...

Their "criminal" nature obviously. They have a 100% established crime rate because of their illegal alien status. The statistics I have provided illustrate that the crime rates amongst illegals in other unrelated areas of crime including rape are high as well. Regardless of the cause; the facts tend to support my position.

So, is a child that is brought across the border by his/her parents a criminal, Frank?

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Depends on the age of a child; if a 14 year old willingly goes along with a criminal plot he is a criminal though the defence of "undue influence" may be used but he still committed a criminal act. A child who is 3 years of age is incapable of committing a crime so he cannot be considered an "illegal alien" in the criminal sense of the term as he is legally incapable of committing the act; such a child is a victim of illegal aliens himself.

The definition of an illegal immigrant is: "an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa."

A young child cannot willfully engage in the act of illegally entering America; he has to be forcibly brought over into the nation so the above definition would not apply to him as I see it even though he has no legal status in America.

But, by your definition, age is irrelevant.

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From a legal standpoint a 7 year old can pick up a gun and shoot someone dead; what he did constitutes the act of murder yet he cannot be classified as a murderer because under law is deemed unable to commit the act due to young age. One can be a lawbreaker without being classified as such...

If anything; I am being quite generous because technically any illegal who enters the nation is a lawbreaker. However, the law tends to exempt extremely young children from such labels due to their life inexperience and inability to control their behaviours.

But if age is irrelevant that yes Pramjockey; even a child who crosses the border has broken the law.

And more likely to rape children.

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-Larry McMurtry in Roads

Exactly.


Frank, your position is indefensible. Care to rephrase?

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My position has been statistically illustrated; Wphelan's statement is based on the belief that I consider innocent children to be guilty of the act of entering the U.S. illegally. I have already explained why I do not believe this to be the case; while the act itself has been committed, age omits intent along with responsibility.

Just because your personal political belief structure will not permit you to accept any position that does not fit in with said structure does not make your opposition automatically in the wrong; the sooner you realise this the sooner rational debate will be possible between us.

I think what people are saying is: he would have likely raped someone else. It's like pointing to a particular gun murder and saying "if we banned that particular model of gun used, it would not have happened." Well, perhaps the guy would have used a different gun (or different weapon altogether) to murder the same person or another person. And unless this pedo is only a pedo in the US, it is likely that he would have raped someone else somewhere else.

Really, it's like complaining about poor enforcement of speeding laws because a guy who sped and was not caught later committed a bank robbery, whereas if he had been caught, he would have lost time and would have been late to that bank, choosing to rob a different one the next day (in all likely-hood). Speeding is not designed to deter or prevent bank robberies, much like immigration laws are not in place to prevent rape, at least not in any remotely related sense.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

Maybe, maybe not. His illegal status here likely provided him the opportunity. He's a scumbag and, if found guilty, he needs to die...

Y'all don't understand the logic. Steve is trying to tell us that when an individual or collection of individuals brutally rape a helpless innocent girl, it means the group to which those individuals belong are scumbags, and so if we deport that group, then rapes like this wouldn't happen. I. e.

Clearly, if we just deported all the scumbag marines out of Iraq (and out of the USA) then rapes like this wouldn't happen, because it's kinda hard for a marine to rape a little girl when there are no marines around to initiate the rape.

And, in a much less serious case:

U.S. Marine accused of girl's rape - CNN.com

Quite obviously, US marines have no value. None. We need to turn them away as they cross the border. Once they realize they're no longer welcome in this country, they will have no other choice but to face those who can deal with them appropriately. . .

Killings of two soldiers perhaps retaliation for slain Iraqi family - Democratic Underground

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As expected, your logic is fucked up.

A rape is not required to deem them scumbags. They're scumbags regardless.

This particular scumbag just happened to rape a child...

In another thread I made reference to the MSM's insistence upon conflating "Illegal Immigration" with "Legal Immigration". The goal of this "mass persuasion" technique, in this case, is to label as "xenophobes" my fellow countrymen who are justifiably offended by these illegal turds ignoring our laws.

It is not only 100% possible to be absolutely against illegal immigration but in favor of legal immigration, it is, in my estimation, the rational and logical point of view.

The people who should be the most outraged by the illegals are the millions of people who did it legally - who took the time (years!) and jumped through all the right hoops to become American citizens. I'm talking to you, [genuine] American Hispanic community! But, by and large, no outrage from their myriad organizations. Why? It must be because it is they whose point of view is driven by race (IOW - they are the ones who are racist).

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Steve, you are being inundated by utterly ridiculous thinking.

If it were a Catholic Priest who committed the offense in question, the libtards would be balls-to-the-wall interested in determining root cause - not for the crime, but for how the perp was allowed to be where they were when it happened. They'd want as many heads on a platter, up to and including The Pope, as they could get. And they're right, to a point - anybody aware of the "problem" (directly) who took action to cover it up, ignore it, facilitate it, and whatnot should be held accountable.

Unless, of course, you're talking about illegal aliens. Somehow, in that case, to question how they got the means and opportunity to match their motive is out of bounds. This is completely absurd.

As far as I am concerned, given all the attention to this issue ("illegal immigrants and the crimes they commit"), anybody who is either ignoring or supporting the violation of our immigration laws should be partially on the hook for the crimes that illegals commit.

Why am I, for some reason, reminded of the DC Sniper clusterfuck? Where they drove around with impunity because the MSM avoided the "M"[uslim] word and insisted on profiling the perp in the Tim McVeigh mold?

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.