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Re: Mom 'Thrilled' Over MySpace Indictment as Neighbor Prepares to Surrender

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Shocking that a diehard Obama supporter would want to excuse a mother who heckled a teenager to death. So much for the moral high ground.

I bet you'll stick by this murderer saying "that's the letter of the law" the same way you'd stick by Pelosi refusing to practice democracy by bringing the energy bill to a vote and not see your own contradiction.
There was no murder, only a suicide. Ultimately, many suicides are caused by some sort of problem that a person experiences, many of which are derived from stress, heckling, etc... I don't see why it is necessary to crucify someone over this particular case. The kid killed herself, get over it.
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But I guess saving the planet is more important than protecting teenage girls.
Teenage girls are protected, as much as anyone else, and even more so given age of consent laws. What you're saying is that essentially people should not be allowed to say things that hurt others' feelings.
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Yes, politicians who want to win votes from the "protect the children" brigade. No, 15yos (or anyone) do not deserve protection from people who hurt their feelings. It's a right protected under the first amendment. It is a fact that certain forms of speech will be unpopular and may hurt people's feelings, young or old. This is not a special case.
Because those laws are based solely on drawing an absolute line at a specific day in one's life (be it 16, 17 or 18), something which is not a good measure of one's mental maturity due to the fact that people develop mentally at different rates. You know it's bullshit when they vary from state to state, sometimes by as much as two years.
It's absolutely a special case because it is an adult on child crime. And I don't think "protecting children" is a simply vote-winning proposal. Just more evidence that you're totally heartless.

Are you saying that there should be no lines drawn? A 40 year old sleeps with a 16 year old, that's not a crime? Please.
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There was no murder, only a suicide. Ultimately, many suicides are caused by some sort of problem that a person experiences, many of which are derived from stress, heckling, etc... I don't see why it is necessary to crucify someone over this particular case. The kid killed herself, get over it.
Teenage girls are protected, as much as anyone else, and even more so given age of consent laws. What you're saying is that essentially people should not be allowed to say things that hurt others' feelings.
No, what I'm saying is an adult should be able to attack a child. If this was an adult on adult crime, I wouldn't have a problem.

"The kid killed herself, get over it?" How old are you? Do you not have children of your own? What kind of person ARE you? Not one I'd ever want to meet. Every single one of your posts make you seem HORRIFIC.
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It's absolutely a special case because it is an adult on child crime.
Hurting someone's feelings is not a crime, sorry.
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And I don't think "protecting children" is a simply vote-winning proposal. Just more evidence that you're totally heartless.
No, it's evidence that I support liberty rather than knee-jerk, authoritarian responses.
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Are you saying that there should be no lines drawn? A 40 year old sleeps with a 16 year old, that's not a crime? Please.
In some states, I believe it might be legal. In many American states, the age of consent is 16. The point is that people develop differently, and drawing a line at a given day in one's life is like saying "all old cars are unreliable, but newer cars will last for a while." While the statement may be true in many cases, it will also depend on the care with which the car was used and the make/model of the car.
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No, what I'm saying is an adult should be able to attack a child. If this was an adult on adult crime, I wouldn't have a problem.
There was no "attack." In fact, I don't believe any physical contact was involved. It was a suicide, not an attack by an outside entity.
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"The kid killed herself, get over it?" How old are you? Do you not have children of your own? What kind of person ARE you? Not one I'd ever want to meet. Every single one of your posts make you seem HORRIFIC.
Yes, I also kill kittens in my spare time and pour old motor oil on baby seals, but what does that have to do with the topic?

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Hurting someone's feelings is not a crime, sorry.No, it's evidence that I support liberty rather than knee-jerk, authoritarian responses.

In some states, I believe it might be legal. In many American states, the age of consent is 16. The point is that people develop differently, and drawing a line at a given day in one's life is like saying "all old cars are unreliable, but newer cars will last for a while." While the statement may be true in many cases, it will also depend on the care with which the car was used and the make/model of the car.
So pretty much, you think that you should be able to fuck young girls and get away with it as long as they're "mature." You stare at girls in public and fantasize about them and wish that it were okay with everyone. You're a pervert. But, you know, only for the girls who are "asking for it."

Also, that if someone does something that results in the death of another person, their rights to liberty are more important than society standing up and saying this is an opportunity to define an issue that we believe is wrong. These things come up and are debated because this is how we define, as a society, what we will accept and not accept.

You and I will never agree. I think you're disgusting, heartless and I want nothing more to do with you. There's no need to continue this discussion, I feel sick.
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So pretty much, you think that you should be able to fuck young girls and get away with it as long as they're "mature." You stare at girls in public and fantasize about them and wish that it were okay with everyone. You're a pervert. But, you know, only for the girls who are "asking for it."
This discussion has nothing to do with me. Perhaps you ought to recheck the thread topic. Also, plenty of people fuck other people who are 18, but a day younger and it's a high crime against humanity?
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Also, that if someone does something that results in the death of another person, their rights to liberty are more important than society standing up and saying this is an opportunity to define an issue that we believe is wrong.
Her death was caused by asphyxiation, I believe. It was entirely caused by the girl.
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These things come up and are debated because this is how we define, as a society, what we will accept and not accept.
There are plenty of things I don't accept, yet believe should be legal. It's called tolerance. Try it sometimes.
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You and I will never agree. I think you're disgusting, heartless and I want nothing more to do with you. There's no need to continue this discussion, I feel sick.
What discussion? Oh, you mean the rare sentence in your post that actually deals with the topic rather than the poster?
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This discussion has nothing to do with me. Perhaps you ought to recheck the thread topic. Also, plenty of people fuck other people who are 18, but a day younger and it's a high crime against humanity?Her death was caused by asphyxiation, I believe. It was entirely caused by the girl.There are plenty of things I don't accept, yet believe should be legal. It's called tolerance. Try it sometimes.

What discussion? Oh, you mean the rare sentence in your post that actually deals with the topic rather than the poster?
Wow. You didn't deny it. At least you're honest. You think teenage girls are there to be fucked, fucked over, and whatever happens when you're done with them is their responsibility.

Or don't you think people are smart enough to read between the lines?

We've gotten to the bottom of your stance on this topic, which is what the discussion is about right, how I feel about it and how you feel about it.

Glad we're finally clear. You're a predator and don't even deny it.
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Wow. You didn't deny it. At least you're honest.
Honest about what? I didn't answer your unsubstantiated accusations and assumptions because they were off-topic.
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You think teenage girls are there to be fucked, fucked over, and whatever happens when you're done with them is their responsibility.
No, I don't. Can we please get back on topic?
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Or don't you think people are smart enough to read between the lines?
I think you're smart enough to post baseless ad-hominem posts, but don't quite have the stuff to handle on-topic, rational debate.
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We've gotten to the bottom of your stance on this topic, which is what the discussion is about right, how I feel about it and how you feel about it.

Glad we're finally clear. You're a predator and don't even deny it.
Believe it or not, I'm not the topic of this discussion, the girl who killed herself and the people related to the incident are. So, are you ready to get back on topic rather than shitting logical fallacies?
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Shocking that a diehard Obama supporter would want to excuse a mother who heckled a teenager to death. So much for the moral high ground.

I bet you'll stick by this murderer saying "that's the letter of the law" the same way you'd stick by Pelosi refusing to practice democracy by bringing the energy bill to a vote and not see your own contradiction.

But I guess saving the planet is more important than protecting teenage girls.
Uhm... what?
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Uhm... what?
When ability to debate rationally is completely missing, one resorts to presumptive ad hominem. Why do you hate teenage girls, Donkey?
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Re: Mom 'Thrilled' Over MySpace Indictment as Neighbor Prepares to Surrender

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There was no murder, only a suicide. Ultimately, many suicides are caused by some sort of problem that a person experiences, many of which are derived from stress, heckling, etc... I don't see why it is necessary to crucify someone over this particular case. The kid killed herself, get over it.
Teenage girls are protected, as much as anyone else, and even more so given age of consent laws. What you're saying is that essentially people should not be allowed to say things that hurt others' feelings.
Wow this is a rare occation. I completly agree with you Slon.
You have saved me the time and effort of posting my oppinion. Thanks
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Shocking that a diehard Obama supporter would want to excuse a mother who heckled a teenager to death. So much for the moral high ground.
"Heckled a teenager to death"?

Why do you hardcore leftists always look for someone to blame besides the person who did a deed? Are you one of those people that think 9/11 was America's fault for "heckling the Middle East to death"?

It's always everyone's fault but person who did, and we should hold hands, sing kumba-ya, and try to understand how we as a collective failed. Screw personal acountability... THERE OUGHTA BE A LAW!!!!

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No, what I'm saying is an adult should be able to attack a child. If this was an adult on adult crime, I wouldn't have a problem.

"The kid killed herself, get over it?" How old are you? Do you not have children of your own? What kind of person ARE you? Not one I'd ever want to meet. Every single one of your posts make you seem HORRIFIC.
Check out the ignore feature this site has.

It DOES come in handy, trust me
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"Heckled a teenager to death"?

Why do you hardcore leftists always look for someone to blame besides the person who did a deed? Are you one of those people that think 9/11 was America's fault for "heckling the Middle East to death"?

It's always everyone's fault but person who did, and we should hold hands, sing kumba-ya, and try to understand how we as a collective failed. Screw personal acountability... THERE OUGHTA BE A LAW!!!!

Wow, doc you're so full of crap - edit that - yourself, it's amazing.

The only point to a post of this nature is to piss the person you're addressing OFF.

Who does that ?

Trolls.

You're not a troll are you ?

No ?

Then don't act like one
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