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"Facing the real problems" would mean taking a look straight in the mirror for the Hillaries, Gores, Obamas and Kennedies of the political world.

Facing the fact that they've sold death worship as "freedom" to an entire society.

You can sell evil if you package and perfume it nicely enough. You can sell it to an entire civilization. Which is exactly what they've accomplished.

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Indeed, democrats bad, republicans good.
Sadly, it can't even be said THAT way. It's even SIMPLER.

Politicians, ALL politicians use the media to lie to, and manipulate the populace.

They're ALL "bad." - I would call them many more colorful things than bad :-)

Power does .... ?

Absolute power does .... WHAT ?
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Teens Turn 'Grand Theft Auto' Into Real-Life Robbery Spree


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A gang of teens in love with the blood-drenched digital killfest "Grand Theft Auto IV" - in which players slaughter hundreds during endless crime sprees - copied the video game's violent hero with a two-hour campaign of real-life robbery and brutality on Long Island, cops said Thursday.

"They decided they were going to go out to commit robberies and emulate the [lead] character Nico Belic in the particularly violent video game 'Grand Theft Auto,' " said Nassau County Police Detective Lt. Raymond Cote. "These teens have difficulty separating fact from fiction, fantasy from reality . . . It was quite alarming."
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Yet many in our society STILL beleive these kinds of "games" are acceptable and allow their kids to be exposed to and "play" them.

It's always interesting to look at the kinds of "arguments" they'll use to support their positions too


They've made a ridiculous "game" of THAT even. You cannot possibly teach mathematics (or anything else) to those who want to excuse their failures and never admit their errors. They will fight your admonitions and even denounce you with vehement and elaborate arguments providing that it is wrong to see their wrong. Such people are so well-skilled at this game they play all of their lives that we might very well be persuaded to their point of veiw.

Which leads us back to the story....

If mimicking crime portrayed in the media is going to plummet our society into chaos, why didn't the glorification of "Bonnie and Clyde" cause our nation's moral downfall 70 years ago?
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Re: Teens Turn 'Grand Theft Auto' Into Real-Life Robbery Spree

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Teens Turn 'Grand Theft Auto' Into Real-Life Robbery Spree


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A gang of teens in love with the blood-drenched digital killfest "Grand Theft Auto IV" - in which players slaughter hundreds during endless crime sprees - copied the video game's violent hero with a two-hour campaign of real-life robbery and brutality on Long Island, cops said Thursday.

"They decided they were going to go out to commit robberies and emulate the [lead] character Nico Belic in the particularly violent video game 'Grand Theft Auto,' " said Nassau County Police Detective Lt. Raymond Cote. "These teens have difficulty separating fact from fiction, fantasy from reality . . . It was quite alarming."
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FOXNews.com - Teens Turn 'Grand Theft Auto' Into Real-Life Robbery Spree - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
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Yet many in our society STILL beleive these kinds of "games" are acceptable and allow their kids to be exposed to and "play" them.

It's always interesting to look at the kinds of "arguments" they'll use to support their positions too


They've made a ridiculous "game" of THAT even. You cannot possibly teach mathematics (or anything else) to those who want to excuse their failures and never admit their errors. They will fight your admonitions and even denounce you with vehement and elaborate arguments providing that it is wrong to see their wrong. Such people are so well-skilled at this game they play all of their lives that we might very well be persuaded to their point of veiw.

Which leads us back to the story....


coooooooooll I was for like 4 years in a Counter-Strike clan, seriouslly, I was actually really fuking good too. Man oh man did I ever wanna hit the army navy store, buy some swat duds, get my MP-5 and just juice some slimeballs at the local mall......damn....but I like have a conscience and , am over 13...


oh and as a side note the median house price in Garden city I will wager is a million bucks, its uber ultra white suburbia...
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Re: Teens Turn 'Grand Theft Auto' Into Real-Life Robbery Spree

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Sure, makes sense. You DO need to protect them though. They aren't the best thinkers at these ages. You remember. You remember when you were 17 and knew EVERYTHING ? Thought those "older people" were boring and stupid ? How many things do you NOW wish you'd have listened to, said by those dumb "old people" who hadn't a clue ?

About anything :-)
Actually, not so much. At that age, my parents had treated me almost like an adult for a few years which, in turn, inspired a respect for them. I didn't always agree with them or heed their advice (sometimes to my detriment), but I never thought they knew nothing. I believe this is generally a rational response to parents trying to maintain "Because I said so" rules for far too long. Kids think their parents are stupid at this age because of equal parts (1) children lacking foresight and wisdom and (2) parents creating arbitrary and irrational rules because they're struggling to let go. Since (2) wasn't in the picture, (1) was a little less in the picture, and I never had this issue with my parents.
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If mimicking crime portrayed in the media is going to plummet our society into chaos, why didn't the glorification of "Bonnie and Clyde" cause our nation's moral downfall 70 years ago?
Well, I don't know that the movie (if there was one made) about bonnie and clyde was marketed to kids and teenagers. Like video games tend to be. The majority of the adult population has little or no interest in playing video games.

The main subject matter here is a supposedly civil society allowing children to be exposed to and engaging in violent fantasy video games. As I was saying earlier, our society decided to "rate" the contents of movies so that parents could easily judge if the movies were appropriate for their kids to see. Video games are "rated" as well. So parents are allowed to make poor choices on this matter too. They obviously do. As we see in the story.

It's more about what seems to be becoming more and more common in American society today. Parents making very poor choices in their child rearing methodologies. This isn't something that's new though. We just hear about these kinds of incidents more quickly because of the advances in communications over the recent decades.

Which is why I said:

.... well, it's nothing new really. Part of the human condition. There are idiots, crackpots and fruitloops of every stripe.

Always has(ve) been.

LOL I should probably avoid fox news for awhile. Give me a better outlook/opinion of humanity.


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Actually, not so much. At that age, my parents had treated me almost like an adult for a few years which, in turn, inspired a respect for them. I didn't always agree with them or heed their advice (sometimes to my detriment), but I never thought they knew nothing. I believe this is generally a rational response to parents trying to maintain "Because I said so" rules for far too long. Kids think their parents are stupid at this age because of equal parts (1) children lacking foresight and wisdom and (2) parents creating arbitrary and irrational rules because they're struggling to let go. Since (2) wasn't in the picture, (1) was a little less in the picture, and I never had this issue with my parents.
Hm.

As odd as it sounds, it sounds like you and I would have very similar parenting styles. Sounds like we were raised by nearly the same people too. My wife and I have some pretty major disagreements about a few things. I think she's being ridiculously uptight about some things and SHE thinks they're just "inappropriate." She get thundering pissed about some really silly shit IMO. She's gonna give herself a heart-attack over something most of us wouldn't even worry about.

Gramma (my mom) will walk from her bedroom to the bathroom nude sometimes. My wife nearly hits the roof any time she hears of it from the boys (they're 2 and 4) or happens to see it. I tell her to settle down it's not really a big deal or dangerous to them. Shit, my parents took me and my cousins to nude beaches when we were kids (it was the early 70's). So we saw naked people. So what ? At that age we were clueless and had no concept of "hot women" or what "naughty parts" were for or we might have gotten into trouble. I don't recall even SEEING any attractive women. But I wasn't really LOOKING either. Because I had no clue.

Anyways sorry, but what you say brings these disagreements my wife and I have to the front of my mind. I think she's going to have a very difficult time "untethering" these boys as they grow. I guess I will try to keep things in some kind of acceptable balance
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Holy shit

How cool. I never thought I'd happen across a real member OF GWAR at this forum

Cool.

Which one ARE you ?
That's fucking hilarious, LMAO! (That truly was witty).
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OMG, I let my kid play "Chicken Run" and now she thinks she's Ginger.

I'd ask for a cure, but I need the eggs.
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That's fucking hilarious, LMAO! (That truly was witty).
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OMG, I let my kid play "Chicken Run" and now she thinks she's Ginger.

I'd ask for a cure, but I need the eggs.

Probably a crack pipe too
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I mean, we do have a rating system in place for movies to keep kids away from exposure to these kinds of things. Keeping kids away from these kinds of movies isn't considered "overprotecting, sheltering, and pampering." It's just considered common sense. Common sense because at these ages they're very impressionable and their minds and personalities are still developing.
We have a rating system for games, too. I know I used to work at Walmart in electronics. Its called Entertainment Software Rating Board. I can't tell you the number of times I witnessed parents buying video games rated above the age of the child. One of my favorites was when a parent bought a copy of Manhunt 2(Wii Version) for his 10-12 year old. When parents abrogate responsibility then problems arise.

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Greetings and Felicitations,



We have a rating system for games, too. I know I used to work at Walmart in electronics. Its called Entertainment Software Rating Board. I can't tell you the number of times I witnessed parents buying video games rated above the age of the child. One of my favorites was when a parent bought a copy of Manhunt 2(Wii Version) for his 10-12 year old. When parents abrogate responsibility then problems arise.
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Which makes a statement about the state of our culture at the present time doesn't it ?

I think it does.
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Yeah blame the games, not the people who commit the crime.
My sentiments exactly.It is a load of crap to blame a game for one's actions.When I was teenager I played Mortal Kombat series, Doom and a whole bunch of other violent video game as well as millions of other teenagers by yet we did not have millions of teenagers committing crimes inspired from the games we played.And I am pretty sure these teenagers are not the only ones playing GTA4,there are probably millions of other teens playing these games but yet they are not out committing armed robbery or any other crimes.


I do believe the parents should show judgment in getting games for their children.Most parents with common sense would not go the store and buy their kids porn and booze.So the same kind of common sense should apply to video games,music,books and many other things with ratings,warnings and etc on them.
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A snippet from a news article in which a police officer is quoted as stating that they were acting out a video game.......

Could be that the officer or reporter is trying to create a story.

GTA has been out for years. For their to exist a valid sociological phenomenon of video games as a major source of violence than we should be witnessing thousands of such acts by now given the prevalence of these games on the market.

Yet we don't.....just like society saw no such thing with heavy metal music or any moral decline because of Elvis.
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